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		<description><![CDATA[download This week: Another of our interviews from the Hand in Glove conference! Duncan and Patricia speak with artist Martha Wilson. Martha Wilson is a Philadelphia based feminist performance artist. She is the founding director of Franklin Furnace. Over the past four decades she has developed and &#8220;created innovative photographic and video works that explore [...]]]></description>
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This week: Another of our interviews from the Hand in Glove conference! Duncan and Patricia speak with artist Martha Wilson.</p>
<p>Martha Wilson is a Philadelphia based feminist performance artist. She is the founding director of Franklin Furnace. Over the past four decades she has developed and &#8220;created innovative photographic and video works that explore her female subjectivity through role-playing, costume transformation, and &#8216;invasions&#8217; of other peoples personas&#8221;.</p>
<p>In the early 1970s while studying in Halifax in Nova Scotia, she began to make videos and photo/text performances. When she moved to New York City in 1974 she continued to develop and explore her photo/text and video performances Due to this and her other works during her career she gained attention around America for her provocative characters, costumes, works and performances.</p>
<p>During 1976 she founded and became director of the Franklin Furnace Archive, which is an artist-run space that focuses on the exploration, advertisement and promotion of artists books, installation art, video and performance art. By promoting these certain areas of work, due to their content they challenge the established normality of performance, art work and books. Other aspects that are addressed through the promotion of the archive are the roles artists play within the visual arts organisations, and the expectations around what is acceptable in the art mediums.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I met João Florêncio over the summer by accident. I was a tourist at a SEPFEP, a philosophy conference in York. My boyfriend was presenting a paper and I happened to tag along — using up some free miles that must have accumulated with my parents&#8217; help. While there, I wasn&#8217;t planning to visit any [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">I met João Florêncio over the summer by accident. I was a tourist at a SEPFEP, a philosophy conference in York. My boyfriend was presenting a paper and I happened to tag along — using up some free miles that must have accumulated with my parents&#8217; help. While there, I wasn&#8217;t planning to visit any panels but nevertheless, I did. It was great. I had one of those brain infusions that sits with you for months and years, as your consciousness tries to digest what it has consumed. In particular, I got a crash course on feminism and learned more about Object Oriented Ontology — the subject of João&#8217;s presentation.  He gave a paper about performance and how it might be considered as an object, a thing possessing its own autonomous being, a being not contingent on humanity. I wanted to ask him more questions on the subject and this seemed like a good opportunity. João is a Portuguese scholar currently based in London and researching on Contemporary European Philosophy and Performance Art. He is also an associated researcher of &#8216;<a href="http://www.thisisperformancematters.co.uk/">Performance Matters</a>.&#8217;</p>
<p><em><strong>Caroline Picard:</strong> How do you think about performance? </em></p>
<p><strong>João Florêncio:</strong> What first drove me to think about performance was my interest in what is generally known as &#8216;Performance Art&#8217; (or its more British term &#8216;Live Art&#8217;). Despite having been both trained as a classical musician from an young age in a junior conservatoire and received my first degree in musicology, it was not until I discovered performance art that I started thinking about what it means to perform.</p>
<p>Anyhow, after a change of academic focus during my MA, I found myself enrolling on the PhD programme in Visual Cultures at Goldsmiths, University of London, in order to carry out what would turn out to be a research project on a new ontology of performance. The reasons for that are varied but they can be summed up by an increased awareness on my part that &#8216;performance&#8217; is a term that is increasingly used to describe the behaviour of various beings, from humans to computer networks, from national economies and stock markets to higher education institutions. Nevertheless, and despite some exceptions (here I&#8217;m thinking of theorist Jon McKenzie), Performance Studies, the academic field within which I&#8217;m working, hasn&#8217;t spent enough time trying to theorise those occasions of nonhuman performance; it suffers, in my view, from a certain humanist or anthropocentric malaise for reasons that I can point out, if you want.</p>
<p>The question I faced then was how to think of nonhuman performance, how to try to write a new general theory of performance that is able to account for occasions of both human and nonhuman performativity, when Performance Studies doesn&#8217;t seem to be offering me any kind of useful theoretical tools to do so? After a couple of years of research, I think I have finally found the medicine I was looking for, and I found it in a cocktail of Information Theory, Cybernetics, Actor-Network-Theory and the fairly recent branch of Continental Philosophy known as Object-Oriented Ontology. These bodies of work, along with a few dashes of Quantum Theory and Philosophy of Mind (for good measure), have helped me take Performance Studies to a place where it had hitherto dared not to go and find a new vibrancy in the world of objects.</p>
<p>Thus, and to finally kind of answer your question, I currently see performance in a very simple (yet useful) way: performance is nothing other than the process through which an object is translated into a version of itself able to be experienced by another object. By translatable object I don&#8217;t only mean a musical score, a theatre play, an idea, or even a person; rather, an object (like Graham Harman demonstrates) is anything that has an autonomous existence: from a person to a rock, from a shot of electricity fired by a neuron to a bankrupt financial institution, from a debt-ridden national economy to a melting iceberg. Performance is, in my view, that which allows for an object to manifest itself in the experience of another object by performing a double of itself. So yes, a performance is always performance and object at once. Because all objects that are given to us (or to any other objects) in experience are performances of other objects. Think about it as the whole world being a stage (isn&#8217;t that what &#8216;they&#8217; say?). If the whole world is a stage, then everything in it is playing some role at some point and the only thing we (and everything else) have access to are the characters, the roles played and not the real actors playing them. Suddenly the whole world is full of life, packed with mysteries and hidden places I&#8217;d like to visit. What about you?</p>
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<p><em><strong>CP:</strong> Of course! That sounds amazing — in so far as suddenly the objects one encounters (including oneself, I assume) possess something autonomous and dynamic. One thing that makes me curious, though, is the kind of priviledge that we have traditionally built into art objects. We want to distinguish them from everyday objects, like rocks for instance. But the way you talk about performance makes me imagine little to no distinction between a Marina Abramović piece and an everyday encounter with a light post. Does art need to maintain its hierarchical plinth to be art?</em></p>
<p><strong>JF: </strong>I&#8217;d say there are at least two different kinds of performance: the performance that brings forth an object&#8217;s double onto another object&#8217;s experience (the kind of performance I mentioned earlier) and then there is a particular second kind of performance, a performance that starts by being like the first one but that then becomes something else. It begins by translating an object into the phenomenological realm of experience but then, for reasons that, in my view, have to do with a change on the way objects engage with each other as audiences, it goes beyond the experience of the given sensual object to suddenly denounce the presence of the real object hidden behind it (even if it never really makes it known). I see it like the Brechtian <em>Verfremdungseffekt</em>, the defamiliarisation effect through which audiences realise the play they&#8217;re watching isn&#8217;t reality itself: they become aware of the fiction of theatre; the presence of the actor behind the character is denounced. If the first kind of performance gives us the experience of what graham Harman has called &#8216;time&#8217; (by allowing us to perceive sensual objects and changes in their sensual qualities), then this second kind of performance gives us &#8216;space&#8217;, the sudden realisation that the real is much deeper than we had hitherto known. It is also this second kind of performance that is usually associated with the art object. However, in my view, it has nothing to do with the nature of the object being experienced but with the nature of the experience itself. If we are to truly support a flat and democratic object-oriented ontology, then we cannot divide the world into &#8216;normal objects &#8216;and &#8216;art objects.&#8217; Art objects don&#8217;t exist ontologically. What exists is a particular kind of relation between objects, the aesthetic relation. The aesthetic relation can in principle exist between any two objects. If we think about it, that has already been the case since the first avant-garde. just think of Duchamp&#8217;s ready-mades: they are objects like all others; the only thing that changed was that they were placed in a context that triggered an aesthetic engagement on the part of the audience, that context being the so-called &#8216;art exhibition&#8217;. However we do not need art galleries to tell us when to engage with other objects aesthetically: I can be enchanted by anything around me as long as I allow it to myself. It&#8217;s almost like my teenage LSD tree-hugging trips. Didn&#8217;t &#8216;they&#8217; say something about opening the doors of perception? Perhaps we are the new hippies but without their terrible sense of fashion. Anyway, I digress here. Let&#8217;s just say that in a world made of equal objects and ridden of anthropocentrism, there is no privileged ontological space for &#8216;art objects.&#8217; Because if we allow the art object to be in any way privileged, then we are a step closer to getting back to anthropocentrism because if art is special, then so must be its creator (the human genius). There is no art; there is only aesthetic experience. And, yes, sometimes the light post is also present; presence is not a quality that only Marina Abramovic has. <img title=";-)" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/images/blank.gif" alt="" /> <img src='http://badatsports.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<p><em><strong>CP: </strong>That&#8217;s what I was going to ask, actually&#8230;are there certain objects that are </em>not<em> vehicles of aesthetic experience?</em></p>
<p><strong>JF: </strong>I&#8217;m not sure if I understood your question but I think all objects are capable of some kind of aesthetic experience even if perhaps we won&#8217;t ever be able to fully know how that operates. We can only speculate that, if an object can never really access another object but only relate to its sensual double, then we can call that a basic form of aesthesis, understood in its original Greek meaning of &#8216;perception.&#8217; Hence, I believe that Graham Harman called aesthetics the first philosophy because the nature of all relationality between all objects is aesthetic. In what regards Abramovic&#8217;s reenactments of her own works, I&#8217;m not sure if each reenactment of the work counts as a new real object or, rather — and this is what I&#8217;m inclined to believe — as a new sensual version of a same object. We can understand reenactment very simply as a new performance (or a new translation) of the same real object, very much like every time the Chicago Symphony Orchestra plays Shubert&#8217;s Symphony No. 9, we are not listening to a new symphony but to a new &#8216;reading&#8217; of it, a new interpretation, in this case Ricardo Muti&#8217;s translation of the original object. What different translations give us is a different point of view of an object without ever giving us the totality of that object (as the object will always withdraw or be protected from our full access via some sort of firewall). So, yes, Abramovic&#8217;s reenactments can give us different aspects of the original, to use your words. And those can be aspects that not even Abramovic herself is aware of as the original work as real object that it is, withdraws even from Abramovic&#8217;s full access.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><em><strong>CP: </strong>How you describe objects&#8217; exchange with one another as audiences&#8230;what does that mean? Or, maybe more to the point: how does that work? Do objects have congnisance of one another?</em></p>
<p><strong>JF: </strong>The answer to your second question comes from this previous answer: When I say objects operate as audiences when relating to sensual versions of another object, I mean that objects witness performance or translation, the reenactment of each other. This is not the same as saying that all objects are sentient and conscious of each other (humans and animals might be but I&#8217;m not sure about rocks and tree trunks). They are, however, changed by entering into relation with sensual objects just as audiences are changed when witnessing a performance. (I must note here that the relationship between performance and transformation of audiences and performers has been one of the core ideas surrounding Performance Studies since its inception as a field of academic enquiry). We can easily see that being the case: a tree enters into relation with an axe and, like an audience, it is transformed by it &#8211; gets cut, gets the shape of the axe&#8217;s blade imprinted in its own trunk &#8211; without ever having full access to the axe &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t know anything about the texture of the axe&#8217;s handle, its temperature, or its colour, for instance. Or a rock is shaped by the ocean&#8217;s waves, gets transformed, but still is not able to access the size of the ocean, the flora and fauna living in it, its saltiness, its reflection of the sunlight, or even the size of the oil spill covering it a few miles away in the Golf of Mexico. In that same way some of us sat in front of Marina Abramovic at MoMA and were transformed by it &#8211; some cried, some smiled, some felt reassurance &#8211; but nobody was able to fully access Abramovic&#8217;s &#8216;substance&#8217; or, if you want, the totality of her being &#8211; her feelings, the sensations on her skin, her own sense of space, our image formed in her retina and being fired at the speed of light all the way up to her visual cortex, etc. As I see it, all relations in the world involve something or someone performing and something or something witnessing the performance, an audience.</p>
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<p><em><strong>CP: </strong>In closing, I am almost inclined to ask a sort of sentimental question; how has your day-to-day perception of the world shifted with the incorporation of this philosophy? I can&#8217;t help feeling like it might change the undercurrent of your most banal experiences&#8230;</em></p>
<p><em></em><strong>JF: </strong>I like your last question. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with being sentimental. I&#8217;m Mediterranean, after all. <img title=";)" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/images/blank.gif" alt="" /> I think the way I look at things has changed after having read all this object-oriented philosophers and after having been working for a while on the intersection of performance studies and object-oriented philosophy. I think I started looking at things in a different way&#8230; I think perhaps to try to &#8216;catch them&#8217;, to try to have a glimpse of what they&#8217;ve been hiding. It&#8217;s actually hilarious when I find myself sneakingly looking at things like if they came from another planet. It can be a sign of madness but I like to think it is a sign of a rediscovered fascination with everything around me, with the enchanting side of everyday objects. It makes the world suddenly full of stuff waiting to be rediscovered and experienced in different manners. Like every stone hides a treasure or something like that. Call me a romantic, it&#8217;s OK. <img title=":)" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/images/blank.gif" alt="" /></p>
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<p>Many of these discussions about hybridity seem to center on the borders of identity: those places we feel something might end so that another substance, or self can begin. Language is essential in the communication of those boundaries; it enables a consensual agreement. The very act of naming, for instance, differentiates one body from another. I am curious about how language is embodied and how an artist invested in movement-as communication might explore that position. I thought I could interview performance artist, Justin Cabrillos. He is particularly focused on how the body and language relate: what seemed like an additional progression from my <a href="http://badatsports.com/2012/like-pages-they-flip-depending-an-interview-with-vanessa-place/">last discussion with Vanessa Place</a>. Drawing on elements of dance, performance art, poetry, and sound art, explores an inefficient use of breath, the valleys of nonsense and physical exertion. Cabrillos was an IN&gt;TIME Incubation Series artist-in-residence at the Chicago Cultural Center, and a 2011 LinkUP Artist at Links Hall. He recently collaborated with Every House Has a Door in a performance for artCENA in Rio De Janeiro. He is the recipient of a Greenhouse grant from the Chicago Dancemaker&#8217;s Forum.</p>
<p><em><strong>Caroline Picard:</strong> I&#8217;m interested in how you integrate language and the body: there is something about this process that makes a lot of sense to me, in so far as both the body and language are mechanistic. In your performances, you seem to embody the two at once, calling attention to the ways in which the body gives life/animates language. At the same time, I feel like you also illustrate a kind of twitch or glitch in both, as they merge  — is there some way that you could talk about this?</em></p>
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<div><strong>Justin Cabrillos: </strong>That’s a nice way of putting it. The body does give life to language. I’m particularly interested in the twitch, tremor, trauma, and the body in crisis because it calls attention to those different kinds of bodies, which language can inhabit and can be transformed by. In my most recent piece, <em>Troupe</em>, I often worked with generating flow in movement and in text, which I would then disrupt, physically or vocally, with a twitch. Somehow that moment of twitch or of crisis speaks to one of many processes of giving life to the body and language. When I was making <em>Troupe</em>, I would often  develop movement and language separately and then superimpose them on one another. Other times, I would read about P. T. Barnum’s discussion and publicity of the different figures in his circus and I would use that to develop some of the choreography. There were moments where I sang selections of P.T. Barnum’s autobiography, but then my gestures would align with the singing and other times where I would create a gap between the image of me singing and the actual song. I might flail my arms, while I was whispering. Or, the rhythm of my gestures would be staccato, while the singing was legato. In general, this is a kind of strategy I use because I am interested in picking apart a very familiar experience and then offsetting it slightly, so that you can experience elements of the familiar and the unfamiliar simultaneously. I guess the strategy itself is mechanistic in that it is informed by digital processes. It’s kind of like watching a movie in which the soundtrack is slightly off. Though the body and language are related, I also think that they are different in many ways. Each has a different presence on stage and has different strategies for meaning making and unmaking. Dance can do things that language cannot do and vice versa. But, I’m interested in how the different things they can and cannot do bump up against one another to do something else.</div>
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<div><em><strong>CP: </strong>Where do you imagine the body ends and begins? Does that conception change depending on whether or not you are performing?</em></div>
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<div><strong>JC: </strong>For me the body doesn’t begin and end at the skin container, so to speak. It’s easier for me to think about bodies instead of the body. I got injured a few times this Fall, and I’ve been curious about these different bodies that these different injuries have produced. After the injuries, my body has never been the same, but that showed me even more that my body was never the same in the first place. I am interested in the way spit, feces, food, and lovers are all extensions of our bodies. The anthropologist Nadia Serematakis discusses this way that our bodies can extend beyond what we normally think of as the boundaries of ourselves. In much of the choreography and writing that I do, I often look to pulling from outside sources, music I’m listening to, books I’m reading, movement I observe in a museum—which I then alter in different ways. In <em>Faces, Varieties, Postures,</em> I performed several images from a Civil War Era etiquette book depicting men with their guns. I am not interested in where bodies end, but I am interested in how bodies begin and begin again. This concept doesn’t change much whether I am performing or not. I think there are multiple bodies, the performing body, the social body, the injured body, but I am invested in all of them when I think about a body because the perceived differences between them highlight their differences and commonalities. I don’t really believe that there is a neutral or blank body, whatever that would look like, and so I don’t believe in a body that ends. It just becomes something else.</div>
<p><em><strong>CP: </strong> What is the function of breath in your work?</em></p>
<div><strong>JC: </strong>When I did <em>On a Corner</em>, this was a central concern. In the piece, I recite the alleged origins of the Corner Bakery, which are printed on their cup sleeves. I inhaled instead of exhaling the words, and allowed myself one breath between each line of text. I lost my breath and started going into spasms because of the task’s effect on my body. There I wanted to deal directly with the breath in relation to language. However, the piece became something else, as it was also a way of connecting with the audience. The sound and image of someone breathing can move someone else to breathe in a similar way, as in a Yoga class. The way we move our breath can lead us to move and breathe in different ways. This in turn can lead someone to feel different emotions that are associated with that pattern of breathing. In performance and in generating material, I play with different ways of using and misusing breath. I am drawn to different language and different vocalized sounds, like weeping or laughing in <em>Troupe</em>, that are somehow as basic as a breath. These sounds, among other effects, mirror a response to the audience and that somehow can construct empathy, coercion, and manipulation. At the end of <em>Troupe</em>, I lie on my side and laugh for several minutes with my mouth in a held smile. I have dealt with laughter in other pieces as well, but this time, I was curious about the laugh track in sitcoms. I slightly altered the usual “heh” sound to a laughed “i” sound. The repetition of it produced some laughter from audiences, while I struggled to hold myself up and push myself across the floor. Laughter was just one of many responses, but I welcome those other responses. I often use the voice and movement in ways that can create fields of responses that can conflict. I am fascinated when an audience member has an ambivalent response, and when audience members have very different responses from one another. An audience member might be laughing at something that is suffocating me, while other audience members might be well aware that I’m suffocating. I don’t see breath as having a singular function in my work, but I do think that it often establishes a sort of visceral connection with the audience that may help tap into some of the other issues I’m dealing with in a piece.</div>
<div id="attachment_27249" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 430px"><a href="http://badatsports.com/2012/sense-as-consenus-an-interview-with-justin-cabrillos/20110922_212703_img_2824/" rel="attachment wp-att-27249"><img class=" wp-image-27249 " title="20110922_212703_IMG_2824" src="http://badatsports.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/20110922_212703_IMG_2824-600x400.jpg" alt="" width="420" height="280" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">&quot;Troupe.&quot; photo by John W. Sisson, Jr.</p></div>
<div><em><strong>CP:</strong> Where does sense come from?</em></div>
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<div><strong>JC: </strong>I think sense is neither objective, nor completely subjective. It is akin to consensus, and is similarly grounded in particular disciplines, social groups, and individuals.  When making a performance, I think a lot about the contract that a performer establishes with the audience. I try to establish different buoys for an audience, so that we can move further into “nonsense” and perhaps create some consensus out of that. Ultimately, I wonder how something that is called “nonsense” or that is outside of  “common” sense or that is socially awkward somehow, speaks both to the consensus of a particular group of people and to the dissensus of others.</div>
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		<title>Episode 330: Carolee Schneemann</title>
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This week: Living legend, innovator, visionary, Carolee Schneemann.</p>
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<p>Working across a range of disciplines, including performance, video, installation, photography, text, and painting, the artist Carolee Schneemann has transformed contemporary discourse on the body, sexuality, and gender. During her recent visit to San Francisco, Schneemann participated in the November 30, 2011 panel discussion, “Looking at Men, Then and Now” [LINK: <a href="http://www.somarts.org/manasobject-closes/">http://www.somarts.org/manasobject-closes/</a>] at the Somarts SOMArts Culture Cultural Center, in San Francisco, in conjunction with the exhibition, Man as Object: Reversing the Gaze, in which she was also a featured artist. On December 2, 2011 Eli Ridgway Gallery hosted an evening in celebration of the recently published Millennium Film Journal #54: &#8220;Focus on Carolee Schneemann.&#8221; Art Practical’s Liz Glass and Kara Q. Smith had the opportunity to sit down with Schneemann in between the two events to speak with her about her work.</p>
<p>Carolee Schneemann [LINK: <a href="http://www.caroleeschneemann.com/index.html">http://www.caroleeschneemann.com/index.html</a>] has shown at the Los Angeles Museum of Contemporary Art; the Whitney Museum of American Art; the Museum of Modern Art, New York; Centre Georges Pompidou, Paris; and the New Museum of Contemporary Art; among many other institutions. Her writing is published widely, including in Correspondence Course: An Epistolary History of Carolee Schneemann and Her Circle (ed. Kristine Stiles, Duke University Press, 2010) and Imaging Her Erotics: Essays, Interviews, Projects (MIT Press, 2002). She has taught at New York University, California Institute of the Arts, Bard College, the School of the Art Institute of Chicago. Schneemann is the recipient of a 1999 Art Pace International Artist Residency, San Antonio, Texas; two Pollock-Krasner Foundation grants (1997, 1998); a 1993 Guggenheim Fellowship and a NationalEndowment for the Arts Fellowship. The retrospective of her work, Carolee Schneemann: Within and Beyond the Premises, is on view at the Henry Art Gallery, in Seattle, through December 30, 2011. [LINK: <a href="http://www.henryart.org/exhibitions">http://www.henryart.org/exhibitions</a>]</p>
<p>An abridged transcript of this interview appears in Art Practical&#8217;s &#8221;Year in Conversation&#8221; issue, which you can see here:  <a href="http://www.artpractical.com/">http://www.artpractical.com</a></p>
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This week: Duncan, Brian, and Abigail Satinsky in conversation with Christine Hill at the Open Engagement conference, which took place from May 13 to 15, 2011 at Portland State University.</p>
<p>Open Engagement is an initiative of PSU’s Art and Social Practice MFA program that encourages discussion on various perspectives in social practice.</p>
<p>Hill has exhibited and lectured widely internationally. She has been the subject of numerous publications and she shows regularly. Recent solo exhibitions include Ronald Feldman Fine Arts, New York; Galerie EIGEN+ART, Berlin; the Museum of Contemporary Art Leipzig; the MigrosMuseum in Zurich and the Martin-Gropius-Bau in Berlin.  She was included in documenta X in 1997, and has participated in numerous international group exhibitions. Her work has been reviewed extensively, including in Artforum, The New York Times, The Village Voice, Art in America and in considerable international publications. The ³Volksboutique Style Manual² is in the collection of the Museum of Modern Art, New York.  The Volksboutique project ³Minutes² was included in the 2007 Venice Biennale under the curation of Robert Storr. A forthcoming review of Volksboutique sculptural work will be shown at the New Museum in Weimar, Germany in April 2012.</p>
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<p>The current Organizational Venture, The Volksboutique Small Business, is housed in  her studio&#8217;s storefront in Berlin&#8217;s Prenzlauer Berg neighborhood and is open to the public. For more information and opening hours, you can contact <a href="mailto:smallbusiness@volksboutique.org">smallbusiness@volksboutique.org</a></p>
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		<title>New &#8216;Centerfield&#8217; on Art:21 Blog &#124; Interview with Matthew Goulish</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; Our latest &#8220;Centerfield&#8221; column posted today on Art:21 blog&#8230;make sure to check it out! Caroline Picard interviews Matthew Goulish, co-founder of the collaborative performance group Every house has a door. A brief excerpt follows; go to Art:21 to read the piece in full! This June, I saw a performance by Every house has a door, [...]]]></description>
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<p>Our latest &#8220;Centerfield&#8221; column posted today on <a href="http://blog.art21.org/">Art:21 blog</a>&#8230;make sure to check it out! Caroline Picard interviews Matthew Goulish, co-founder of the collaborative performance group <a href="http://www.everyhousehasadoor.org/currentprojects.html">Every house has a door</a>. A brief excerpt follows; go to Art:21 to read the piece in full!</p>
<blockquote><p>This June, I saw a performance by <a href="http://www.everyhousehasadoor.org/currentprojects.html">Every house has a door</a>, a collaborative group founded by Lin Hixson and Matthew Goulish in 2008 to “create project-specific collaborative performances with invited guests.” Having seen the piece in its intended context I want to ask questions outside its bounds. I appear like a kind of critic—a person asking the artist for something outside the presentation of a complete work. <em>They’re Mending the Great Forest Highway </em>is a dance for three men (Matthew Goulish, Jeff Harms, John Rich), with a DJ (Charissa Tolentino) and a narrator (Hannah Geil-Neufeld). It took place in the second floor gymnasium at Holstein Park in Chicago. Participants enacted a score of movement and sound presenting thematic elements from Hungarian folksongs, the tritone, and Benny Goodman. I wanted to ask about crisis, the framework of the theater, and the vocabulary of gestures—oblique responses to dance. Perhaps by asking them, perhaps through Goulish’s response, you might catch a ghost of the dance, left behind and buzzing in those summer-hot gymnasium walls.</p>
<p><strong><em>Caroline Picard:</em></strong><em> How do you conceptualize the context for performance—do you frame it within traditional theater? How does time function within that context?</em></p>
<p><strong>Matthew Goulish: </strong>Yes, theater as the container – less a set of conventions than of structures. Into it we place, let’s say, dance, writing, and music. We keep those elements distinct for clarity. Theater allows their coherent composition in time, the way the parts fit together. What happens first, second, last? What happens where? What echoes, and when? We have a sense of the parts in themselves (dance, music, writing), and another sense of the parts in relation as a cumulative experience (theater).</p>
<p>Can we call any room a theater if it contains theatrical events? What if we set up chairs in the afternoon at one end of a gymnasium that has windows and skylights? A little room noise might help the performance in unexpected ways. If we begin a 60-minute performance on June 18<sup>th</sup> at 2:00 PM, where will the sun be in the skylight when we end? (<a href="http://blog.art21.org/2011/07/26/center-field-embodying-echoes-an-interview-with-matthew-goulish/" target="_blank">Read more</a>).</p></blockquote>
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		<title>The Public is the Teacher: An interview with Justin Cabrillos</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[GUEST POST BY MARISSA PEREL In this guest post, Marissa Perel talks with artist Justin Cabrillos about his studio practice and his recent performance of Following Dance at the MCA Chicago. Cabrillos will also be performing at: remixed/reimagined 2011 at the MCA Chicago Performance Benefit on Thursday, June 23, 2011, at 6 pm. Cabrillos performing [...]]]></description>
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<p><em>In this guest post, Marissa Perel talks with artist Justin Cabrillos about his studio practice and his recent performance of </em>Following Danc<em>e at the MCA Chicago. Cabrillos will also be performing at: <a href="http://www.mcachicago.org/programs/event_detail.php?id=838&amp;page=genev" target="_blank">remixed/reimagined 2011</a> at the MCA Chicago Performance Benefit on Thursday, June 23, 2011, at 6 pm.</p>
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<p><em>Marissa Perel</em>: <em>Tell me about your process for the </em>Following Dance<em> performance you did at the MCA as part of the </em><a href="http://www.mcachicago.org/programs/event_detail.php?id=570" target="_blank">Without You I’m Nothing: Interactions</a><em> at the MCA.</em></p>
<p>Justin Cabrillos: I wanted to make a response to Vito Acconci because my work is largely inspired by his endurance pieces in the 1960-70’s. For this performance, I studied his <a href="http://www.medienkunstnetz.de/works/following-piece/" target="_blank"><em>Following Piece</em></a>, where he followed around strangers in the city for minutes or days until they disappeared from his view. I combined techniques for following museum visitors by imitating their movements while I performed on his sculpture, <em>Bridge Chairs for Sex and Gender</em>.</p>
<p>I considered Acconci’s movements retroactively as a form of dance in <em>Following Dance. </em>It’s a triangulation of his voyeurism, how he moves his body motivated by that voyeurism, and the bodies of the people who lead him through space. I became interested in a public choreography.</p>
<p><em>MP:</em> <em>How did you take this public performance art piece and make into a dance?</em></p>
<p>JC: I started observing people in the museum in October before my performance in January. I’d go into the MCA and watch the public in museum mode. I studied how people hold themselves when they go to see art down to how they hold their weight or shift their gaze. It was a kind of movement analysis that informed how I would build the dance. I sought to embody how people interacted with the art. Or more to embody the relationship between the viewer, the objects and the space between them.</p>
<p>Because of the nature of the work in the <em>Without You I’m Nothing</em> Exhibition, viewers are moving more than they normally would, and I saw that as an opportunity for movement analysis. I also paid attention to people who didn’t choose to interact with the work, their stillness became a source of choreography for me.</p>
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<p>Once I was performing, the ladders of the Bridge Chair enabled me to have a bird’s-eye-view of what people were doing. I could look through the Andrea Zittel piece, <em>A-Z Cellular Compartment Units</em> and see kids taking off their shoes and crawling around, so I’d take off my shoes and crawl around. The ladder really facilitated the voyeurism for the piece.</p>
<p><em>MP: Vito would love that!</em></p>
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<p>JC: I know! I developed a system to call attention more to the viewers than to myself. If someone was directly looking at me, I wouldn’t follow that person, but the person could see who I was following. It’s like when you’re in a dance class, watching the teacher’s movements and trying to follow as best you can. In this case, the public is the teacher. The goal is not so much to parody to make fun of the viewer, but to reveal something about the viewers to one another, and to create a consciousness of the relationship between the viewer and the space of the museum.</p>
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<p><em>MP: How is this experience different than your experience of stage-based performance?</em></p>
<p>JC: I had to think of a different way to structure the performance. Because it wasn’t about everyone being part of my time, but about the time people were spending in the exhibition. It was like a game where I had to be hyper observant of the audience. On stage you’re rarely aware of audience members as individuals. In this piece, I had to anticipate how people would respond to my actions. It required me to simultaneously observe and perform the audience. That was a lot of information for me to contain in my body! I felt like I was possessed, inhabited by the other bodies in the room.</p>
<p><em>MP: I find that to be a compelling aspect of your work in general, how you embody your research, whether it’s historical data, responses to sites or in this case, how you are embodying a relationship between art and the audience. It seems like you have to empty yourself of your own contents in order to become a vessel for the subjects of your performances. How do you make space for this, literally in your body and conceptually?</em></p>
<p>JC: When I was on a residency with Every House Has A Door, I had the opportunity to meet Netherlands-based choreographer, Meg Stuart. Once in a critique she said, “The body is not yours.” I think it’s important to let go of your body and see what happens. This can be liberating because you can see what your body is capable of.</p>
<p>By the end of my performances at the MCA, I could pan across the audience and string 6 different movement combinations together from the people I observed because I was totally invested in their vocabulary. My interests are now much more activated around the space of what I’m seeing in relationship to where I am in the moment.</p>
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<p><em>MP: How long were you performing Following Dance?</em></p>
<p>JC: For two hours a day over the course of 6 days. I also performed for First Friday, artsmart [an event sponsored by the MCA’s Women’s Board], and I will be performing it again for the MCA benefit.</p>
<p><em>MP: This is definitely enough experience for you to perfect the art of “observational vocabulary,” how do you keep it fresh?</em></p>
<p>JC: A lot of people talk about the conceptualism behind performance art of the 1970’s, but what I appreciate is the childlike wonder about it. One thing that’s different about this piece from my other work is that it’s light. There’s an almost childlike sense of humor about it.</p>
<p>During the First Friday show, I noticed a man texting on his cell phone, so I started to act like I was texting . Everyone that was watching us noticed what I did and started laughing. Another day, I noticed a woman lying inside the Convertible Clam sculpture [also made by Acconci]. I laid down in the other half of the shell and slowly copied her movements. It took her a long time to figure out what I was doing.</p>
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<p>People seem to be of two minds when they figure me out, they either revel in the attention and play with it, or they run away. Kids are endlessly stimulating because they are always moving and they are also willing to play the game.</p>
<p><em>MP: What is it like for you to leave that way of performing and return to your studio?</em></p>
<p>JC: Even when I have physically left the space of the MCA, I’m not sure if my experience leaves me -it’s never completely over. As artists, we’re constantly living with the material of our work. I sleep and eat my material, and I try to pay attention to how my daily life is affected by the focus of my work, how my intention is shaped or directed by my interests. I work very hard to make ephemeral art, and I often ask why I am doing this. I don’t have an answer,but I think the intimacy that I get to share with the audience, based on my intimacy with the material is one of the reasons I make ephemeral art. So, it&#8217;s about sharing and extending that intimacy with the audience.</p>
<p><em>For more information on Justin Cabrillos, visit his website <a href="http://www.justincabrillos.com/">here</a>.<br />
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<p><em><a href="http://www.marissaperel.com/">Marissa Perel</a> is a performance artist, writer and independent curator currently working in Chicago, IL.</em></p>
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This week: Duncan talks to installation and performance artist Tania Bruguera.</p>
<p><strong>TANIA BRUGUERA </strong></p>
<p>Tania Bruguera (born 1968, Havana, Cuba) is a Cuban installation and performance artist, trained at the Instituto Superior de Arte in Havana and at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago.  Bruguera&#8217;s work pivots around issues of power and control.</p>
<p>She lives and works between Chicago and Havana. She is the founder and director of Arte de Conducta (behavior art), the first performance studies program in Latin America, which is hosted by Instituto Superior de Arte in Havana. She is also an Assistant Professor at the Department of Visual Arts of The University of Chicago, United States and is an invited professor at the University IUAV in Venice, Italy.</p>
<p>A March 2009 performance by Tania Bruguera, at an arts centre in Havana, has been involved in controversy. During the performance Tania Bruguera put up a microphone and told people in attendance they could say whatever they wanted for one minute. Various of the attendees use the opportunity to ask for “freedom” and “democracy”. One of these was the awarded blogger Yoani Sanchez. The Cuban government denounced this in a statement saying that it considered “this to be an anti-cultural event of shameful opportunism that offends Cuban artists and foreigners who came to offer their work and solidarity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another controversial performance in September 2009 in the National University of Colombia (Bogota branch), included consumption of cocaine provided by the artist to the attendants. According to University officials, the artist asked for permission to carry a weapon and use cocaine but permission was denied.</p>
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<p>The School of the Art Institute&#8217;s <a href="http://www.saic.edu/art_design/vap/index.html#current_series/SLC_32895" target="_blank">Visiting Artist Program</a> kicks off its Spring 2011 series tonight with <a href="http://performance.tisch.nyu.edu/object/MunozJ.html" target="_blank">Jose Muñoz</a>, chair of NYU&#8217;s Performance Studies department and the author of several books, including <a href="http://www.nyupress.org/books/_Cruising_Utopia-products_id-11206.html" target="_blank">Cruising Utopia: The Then and There of Queer Futurity</a>. (You can download a .pdf file of that book&#8217;s introduction <a href="http://www.nyupress.org/webchapters/munoz_intro.pdf" target="_blank">here</a>). The talk will take place at 6pm in the Columbus Auditorium, 280 S. Columbus Drive. In advance of Professor Munoz&#8217; talk, I asked him a few questions about his work and the performance artists who inspired it. I&#8217;m very grateful to him for taking time out of his busy schedule to answer them!</p>
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<p><em>Claudine Ise: Tell us a bit about what you plan to discuss during your lecture at the School of the Art Institute.<br />
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Jose Muñoz: I plan to present work that bridges <em>Cruising Utopia</em> and my next book project <em>The Sense of Brown</em>. In <em>Cruising Utopia</em> I considered the work and life of figures from the historical queer avant-garde. I will discuss the life and work of Warhol superstar Mario Montez. Montez collaborated with Warhol, Jack Smith, Ronald Tavel and many other key figures from that scene. But Montez dropped out of the art and performance scene in the 1970s. He has recently reemerged and has great stories to tell. I look to him as a &#8220;Wise Latina&#8221; which was a phrase used by republicans who attacked Sonia Sotomayor when she was nominated to The Supreme Court. I describe Montez as a Wise Latina because she made a sort of &#8220;sense&#8221; that I think is worth considering today.</p>
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<p><em>CI: The prose style of your 2009 book &#8220;Cruising Utopia: The Then and There of Queer Futurity&#8221; is at once poetic and deeply rousing. In particular, I&#8217;m enamored of this statement from your book&#8217;s Introduction:</em></p>
<p>&#8220;We must strive, in the face of the here and now&#8217;s totalizing rendering of reality, to think and feel a then and there. Some will say that all we have are the pleasures of this moment, but we must never settle for that minimal transport; we must dream and enact new and better pleasures, other ways of being in the world, and ultimately new worlds. Queerness is that thing that lets us feel that this world is not enough, that indeed something is missing.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>I love the radical openness of that idea. Can you talk a bit about the ways in which you want to re/define the concepts of &#8216;hope&#8217; and &#8216;utopia,&#8217; particularly when it comes to queerness and what you describe as a &#8216;queer aesthetic&#8217;?</em></p>
<p>JM: I was advocating an idea of hope that refuses despair during desperate times. I reject naive hope and instead offer a version of hope that is counter measure to how straight culture defines our lives and the world. I was trying to describe an idea of utopia that is not just escapism. Queer art or queer aesthetics potentially offer us blueprints and designs for other ways of living in the world. In <em>Cruising Utopia</em> I look at performances and visual art that are both historical and contemporary. But what all the work has in common is the way it sketches different ways of being in the world.</p>
<p><em>CI: Which contemporary performance artists do you think best represent your idea that &#8216;hope&#8217; can be more than just a critical affect, but can also present us with a viable methodology for mapping utopias?</em></p>
<p>JM: I am interested in so much work that happens under the rich sign of performance. For years I have been following the work of artists like Vaginal Davis whose performances always insists on another version of reality than the ones we are bombarded by. I could substitute Vag&#8217;s name in the previous sentence with that of artists like Nao Bustamente, Carmelita Tropicana, Dynasty Handbag, My Barbarian and so many other artists that I have encountered. I look forward to seeing more work that helps me glimpse something beyond the here and now.</p>
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<p>Dynasty Handbag at Transmodern Festival, 2008.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oooh. I just noticed that Edward Winkleman&#8217;s Open Thread post today covers the topic/question of the ways in which online arts reporting may cross over into performance art. Mr. Winkleman mentions Bad at Sports&#8217; podcast as one of several &#8220;well-established examples of arts-based news/reporting&#8221; that he considers to be &#8220;a form of performance or art [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh. I just noticed that Edward Winkleman&#8217;s <a href="http://www.edwardwinkleman.com/2011/01/online-arts-reporting-as-performance.html" target="_blank">Open Thread post</a> today covers the topic/question of the ways in which online arts reporting may cross over into performance art. Mr. Winkleman mentions Bad at Sports&#8217; podcast as one of several &#8220;well-established examples of arts-based news/reporting&#8221; that he considers to be &#8220;a form of performance or art itself.&#8221; Very interesting. &#8220;What differentiates such efforts from strict journalism,&#8221; he points out, &#8220;are the concepts behind their approaches, and the fact that they&#8217;re being created by artists.&#8221;</p>
<p>This subject, as many longtime podcast listeners must know, is one that Duncan in particular loves to muse on. WTF is it all about people?? The crossover between performance, art, and online journalism is a fascinating topic to think about even beyond the parameters of Bad at Sports, however, so if you&#8217;d like to weigh in, please go on over to Edward_Winkleman, read the post, and comment away!</p>
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