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		<title>Detroit Banksy Mural In Court Now Since Factory Landowner Claims Ownership</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back in May &#38; June we wrote about Banksy&#8217;s trip to Detroit and his mural that was created in the old derilict Packard plant there. That mural of a boy with a paint can saying &#8220;I remember when all this was trees&#8221; was quickly excavated from the cinder block wall it was painted on by the local [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://badatsports.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Bansky-555.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-16900" title="Bansky-555" src="http://badatsports.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Bansky-555.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="232" /></a>Back in <a href="http://badatsports.com/2010/graffiti-artist-banksy-leaves-work-in-detroit-is-immediately-taken-down-by-local-gallery/" target="_blank">May</a> &amp; <a href="http://badatsports.com/2010/detroit-banksy-work-moved-after-threats-to-gallery/" target="_blank">June</a> we wrote about Banksy&#8217;s trip to Detroit and his mural that was created in the old derilict Packard plant there. That mural of a boy with a paint can saying &#8220;I remember when all this was trees&#8221; was quickly excavated from the cinder block wall it was painted on by the local art group <a href="http://www.555arts.org/" target="_blank">555 Nonprofit Gallery &amp; Studios</a>, they moved it to their gallery space and quickly came under threats and negative attention. Well now they are in court.</p>
<p>Bioresource Inc., the company owned by land speculator Romel Casab, filed suit this week in Wayne County Circuit Court to regain possession of the mural. The suit which names 555 Gallery and it&#8217;s executive director Carl Goines as defendants says the 1,500 pounds mural, which may be worth $100,000 or more, was removed without authority and that 555 Gallery did not respond to a letter dated June 7th demanding it&#8217;s return.</p>
<p>The 555 artists have attested from the beginning in May that they took the work to prevent its destruction and have no interest in selling it. Gallery attorney Don Lewis said  his clients were given permission to take the mural by a scrap metal removal crew foreman named Butch.</p>
<p>“That’s a key issue,” Lewis said. “Would a jury think it was reasonable to assume that he had the authority he said he did — that he was speaking on behalf of the owner?”</p>
<p>I keep saying this isn&#8217;t over and that eventually Bansky might make a statement since it serves his interests to be the final voice but he does have a history of disavowing works once they are removed or altered from their original state. This may be no different, but there will be more to come I am sure.</p>
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		<title>Detroit Banksy Work Moved After Threats to Gallery</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 11:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bad at Sports posted a week or so back about the removal of a Banksy mural by 555 Nonprofit Gallery &#38; Studios (a local Detroit gallery) from the old Packard Plant to their site. At the time I knew this was not the end of this tale and that they were potentially going to reap [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://badatsports.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Bansky-555.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-16900" title="Bansky-555" src="http://badatsports.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Bansky-555.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="232" /></a>Bad at Sports <a href="http://badatsports.com/2010/graffiti-artist-banksy-leaves-work-in-detroit-is-immediately-taken-down-by-local-gallery/" target="_blank">posted a week or so back</a> about the removal of a Banksy mural by <a href="http://www.555arts.org/" target="_blank">555 Nonprofit Gallery &amp; Studios</a> (a local Detroit gallery) from the old Packard Plant to their site. At the time I knew this was not the end of this tale and that they were potentially going to reap the kind of attention they really dont want regardless of the intentions behind the act.</p>
<p>As an Update the cinder block mural has now been removed from display after the gallery &amp; work had been reportedly threatened with defacement or destruction (I would imagine the gallery more then the work). The gallery has also now updated their statement in regards to their claim to include that they were given permission by a scrap metal removal crew working at the plant at the time.</p>
<p>Carl W. Goines, executive director &amp; co-founder of <a href="http://www.555arts.org/" target="_blank">555 Nonprofit</a>, told The Detroit Free Press</p>
<blockquote><p>There was a lot of anxiety with the threats, so our board of directors requested that we move it until it can be displayed safely.</p></blockquote>
<p>I still think there is more to come on this still yet and might even include a statement by Banksy himself eventually.</p>
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		<title>Graffiti Artist Banksy Leaves Work in Detroit &amp; Is Immediately Taken Down By Local Gallery</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 00:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Graffiti Artist Banksy who has been making the rounds throughout US cities recently (Los Angeles, Park City for Sundance, Chicago and Toronto) created a work in Detroit which has created a larger debate on the role of public art and its relationship to longevity, location &#38; ownership. In short (and more can be read in depth at [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graffiti Artist Banksy who has been making the rounds throughout US cities recently (Los Angeles, Park City for <em>Sundance</em>, Chicago and Toronto) created a work in Detroit which has created a larger debate on the role of public art and its relationship to longevity, location &amp; ownership. In short (and more can be read in depth at <a href="http://www.freep.com/article/20100515/ENT05/100514077/1318/Graffiti-artist-Banksy-leaves-mark-on-Detroit-and-ignites-firestorm" target="_blank">The Detroit Free Press</a>) the work was created on one of the walls of the partially demolished <a href="http://silentbuildings.com/38/temple-and-cass/" target="_blank">Packard Plant</a> in Detroit.</p>
<p>The stenciled work which shows a determined boy holding a red paint can next to the words &#8220;I remember when all this was trees&#8221; was discovered over the weekend of May 8th and by the 11th the 7&#8242; x 8&#8242; 1,500 pound cinder block wall was excavated by artist from the 555 Nonprofit Gallery &amp; Studios to their grounds near the Ambassador Bridge in Southwest Detroit.</p>
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<p>This has caused a stir in Detroit to an extent since it raises the question of did the gallery have either a legal or moral right to remove and relocate the work. What is the role of the work. Is it better to have it remain location specific in the old Packard Plant and risk/enjoy destruction or is it better off in care of some group who would put it on public display. Can that group make a profit on it &amp; first of all can that group legally remove the cinder block material and claim ownership.</p>
<p>Many of these questions have either already legally defined answers that the art world might or might not like (regardless of it&#8217;s state the Packard Plant is owned by someone) and other questions as to the role of Banksy&#8217;s work in relation to the public are ripe for individual agenda. Regardless each of the questions are very good and lead to a greater debate as to how do we interact and relate to Graffiti Art which is not going away and is getting more refined and focused in it&#8217;s execution and voice.</p>
<p>It would be wonderful to hear from Banksy himself as to why he felt that location was optimal for the work and who he expected to see it there. Does he plan to coordinate in the future with galleries when the ownership of the work is in doubt and can easily be claimed? Does he prefer that his work have a limited shelf life or be location specific so as to have a greater contextual impact. I doubt we will hear either way but I am sure regardless of what happens he is loving the energy it has created &amp; there is more to this story to be told.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This has nothing to do with Art in even the most remote way but I would be amiss to not post this since it is some of the best comedy for a while and doesn&#8217;t appear on TV, Cable or Cinema. No, it&#8217;s specifically made and shown on Funny or Die. I could say much [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has nothing to do with Art in even the most remote way but I would be amiss to not post this since it is some of the best comedy for a while and doesn&#8217;t appear on TV, Cable or Cinema. No, it&#8217;s specifically made and shown on <a href="http://FunnyOrDie.com/m/3oem">Funny or Die</a>. I could say much more but it would only ruin the best casted skit almost ever.</p>
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<p>This is quite possibly the first time you have every SNL Presidential Doppelgänger on screen at the same time ever (just missing <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLFE1FMm3Sw">Rich Little</a>) and showcases Will Ferrell, Chevy Chase, Jim Carrey, Fred Armisen, Darrell Hammond, Dan Aykroyd, Maya Rudolph, Dana Carvey &#038; Directed by  Ron Howard to promote the Consumer Financial Protection Agency that is under debate/creation right now. Here is a behind the scenes video of the shoot.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over the last week the music file sharing debate has found new fodder to play with in the form of Pop singer Lily Allen. Lily Allen started a proactive discussion on the net complete with website to address her concern with the negative effects of file sharing. In only a few days the site and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the last week the music file sharing debate has found new fodder to play with in the form of Pop singer Lily Allen. Lily Allen started a proactive discussion on the net complete with website to address her concern with the negative effects of file sharing. In only a few days the site and <a href="http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&#038;friendId=36707169&#038;blogId=510114316">most of her postings have been deleted</a> but you can read much of the archives <a href="http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28855">here</a>.</p>
<p>As with any good debate it&#8217;s in the light of opposite views that you find informative and interesting contrasts and in this case one of the better opinions came in the form of a new song by artist <a href="http://danbull.com/">Dan Bull</a> who sampled <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGeuhR-0sgM">Ms. Allen&#8217;s song &#8220;22&#8243;</a> to make an open singing letter titled &#8220;Dear Lily&#8221;</p>
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