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		<title>By: The Shark</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Shark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 06:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;critics who are members of the Chicago Art Critics Association–aim to open up a discursive interplay &quot;between artists and the critics who are tasked with writing about their work (and, let’s not forget, with assessing its successes and failures). &quot;

I suppose if you are new to town you might take something as failed and impotent, as completely laughable, as the Chicago Art Critics Association seriously, reinventing the Chicago Wheel of Misfortune yet again-certainly no artists I know of do - CACA; (their own acronym/moniker of choice) is responsible for one thing and one thing alone; that would be, giving shit a bad name-

 In what world do the losers get to assess success and failure? I know of no artist here who is waiting around with baited breath for what any of these clowns have to say-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;critics who are members of the Chicago Art Critics Association–aim to open up a discursive interplay &#8220;between artists and the critics who are tasked with writing about their work (and, let’s not forget, with assessing its successes and failures). &#8221;</p>
<p>I suppose if you are new to town you might take something as failed and impotent, as completely laughable, as the Chicago Art Critics Association seriously, reinventing the Chicago Wheel of Misfortune yet again-certainly no artists I know of do &#8211; CACA; (their own acronym/moniker of choice) is responsible for one thing and one thing alone; that would be, giving shit a bad name-</p>
<p> In what world do the losers get to assess success and failure? I know of no artist here who is waiting around with baited breath for what any of these clowns have to say-</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Staff Brandl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Staff Brandl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 09:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not just self promo, Salvo, those are great links having directly to do with our discussion. I&#039;d love to hear from you. I&#039;ll check all your stuff out soon; I&#039;m a bit rushed now, so I only glanced. Very intriguing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not just self promo, Salvo, those are great links having directly to do with our discussion. I&#8217;d love to hear from you. I&#8217;ll check all your stuff out soon; I&#8217;m a bit rushed now, so I only glanced. Very intriguing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Staff Brandl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Staff Brandl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 06:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly along the line of your last statement, Christine. My point is that &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; particular &quot;structure,&quot; of the rootless sophistic intl curator, is seldom questioned. And it can only exist in a situation of purposeful historical amnesia and careerist lack of imagination --- I have even had students say to me &quot;that&#039;s how it always was,&quot; showing an immense ignorance of history, cowardice and other problems.

That example has no &lt;i&gt;direct&lt;/i&gt; bearing on any recreation of criticism --- yet the existence and dominance of careerist intl curators and the secret desire to join them on the part of many small-time quasi-curators --- are responsible to a large extent for why criticism is so unimportant --- for good an bad.

It is simply a glaring example of where a little, simply questioning and creativity in fashioning experimental structures could go a long way. Your idea for criticism/show suggests a creative re-imagination. This is needed on ALL levels of the artworld now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly along the line of your last statement, Christine. My point is that <i>that</i> particular &#8220;structure,&#8221; of the rootless sophistic intl curator, is seldom questioned. And it can only exist in a situation of purposeful historical amnesia and careerist lack of imagination &#8212; I have even had students say to me &#8220;that&#8217;s how it always was,&#8221; showing an immense ignorance of history, cowardice and other problems.</p>
<p>That example has no <i>direct</i> bearing on any recreation of criticism &#8212; yet the existence and dominance of careerist intl curators and the secret desire to join them on the part of many small-time quasi-curators &#8212; are responsible to a large extent for why criticism is so unimportant &#8212; for good an bad.</p>
<p>It is simply a glaring example of where a little, simply questioning and creativity in fashioning experimental structures could go a long way. Your idea for criticism/show suggests a creative re-imagination. This is needed on ALL levels of the artworld now.</p>
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		<title>By: salvo cheque</title>
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		<dc:creator>salvo cheque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 16:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to think that I&#039;ve been experimenting with criticism&#039;s form by making it more of a collaborative effort.
First on my site, going &lt;a href=&quot;http://salvadorcastillo.wordpress.com/2007/04/18/the-champeen-outta-site-outta-mind-by-salvador-castillo/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;head to head&lt;/a&gt; with &lt;a href=&quot;http://salvadorcastillo.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/the-challenger-zom-be-by-dominick-mueller/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kurt Mueller&lt;/a&gt; (listed as Dominick Mueller).
Second in print, I gathered my co-contributors for the weekly paper and worked through the previous Texas Biennial via a shared google doc. part &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=oid:460777&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/review?oid=oid:463052&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/review?oid=oid%3A463053&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;3&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/review?oid=oid%3A465075&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;4&lt;/a&gt;
Then a short-lived podcast inspired by BAS.

Sorry for the self-promotion, but I think these changes that you are asking for are happening, just not at the scale or visibility in platforms that have been built on and according to old media.

PS: keep an eye out for an email from me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to think that I&#8217;ve been experimenting with criticism&#8217;s form by making it more of a collaborative effort.<br />
First on my site, going <a href="http://salvadorcastillo.wordpress.com/2007/04/18/the-champeen-outta-site-outta-mind-by-salvador-castillo/" rel="nofollow">head to head</a> with <a href="http://salvadorcastillo.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/the-challenger-zom-be-by-dominick-mueller/" rel="nofollow">Kurt Mueller</a> (listed as Dominick Mueller).<br />
Second in print, I gathered my co-contributors for the weekly paper and worked through the previous Texas Biennial via a shared google doc. part <a href="http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=oid:460777" rel="nofollow">1</a>, <a href="http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/review?oid=oid:463052" rel="nofollow">2</a>, <a href="http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/review?oid=oid%3A463053" rel="nofollow">3</a>, <a href="http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/review?oid=oid%3A465075" rel="nofollow">4</a><br />
Then a short-lived podcast inspired by BAS.</p>
<p>Sorry for the self-promotion, but I think these changes that you are asking for are happening, just not at the scale or visibility in platforms that have been built on and according to old media.</p>
<p>PS: keep an eye out for an email from me.</p>
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		<title>By: Claudine Ise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudine Ise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 15:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I absolutely agree with your point here:

&quot;I suggest the very structure of criticism has to be experimented with. Perhaps gently, but somehow...But also simply far more open, inventive forms have to be found.&quot;

Totally, totally totally. It would make reading criticism more fun too, don&#039;t you think? I don&#039;t know why more publications don&#039;t do the &quot;dueling&quot; multiple voices angle on criticism.  Now I left out your part about the international curators not because I don&#039;t agree, necessarily, just because I don&#039;t understand the full context of your argument there. Do you mean, the curator&#039;s words should not be taken as authoritative (in the same way that we&#039;re talking about critics here) or you have a problem with jet-setting curators who travel, schmooze, pick words based on what everyone else says is cool but aren&#039;t really interested in establishing a viable context for presenting those works within their own institutions? (or something along those lines).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I absolutely agree with your point here:</p>
<p>&#8220;I suggest the very structure of criticism has to be experimented with. Perhaps gently, but somehow&#8230;But also simply far more open, inventive forms have to be found.&#8221;</p>
<p>Totally, totally totally. It would make reading criticism more fun too, don&#8217;t you think? I don&#8217;t know why more publications don&#8217;t do the &#8220;dueling&#8221; multiple voices angle on criticism.  Now I left out your part about the international curators not because I don&#8217;t agree, necessarily, just because I don&#8217;t understand the full context of your argument there. Do you mean, the curator&#8217;s words should not be taken as authoritative (in the same way that we&#8217;re talking about critics here) or you have a problem with jet-setting curators who travel, schmooze, pick words based on what everyone else says is cool but aren&#8217;t really interested in establishing a viable context for presenting those works within their own institutions? (or something along those lines).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Staff Brandl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Staff Brandl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Salvo for the info! Too bad I can&#039;t get it online, as being in Europe I probably won&#039;t see the paper pub.

I&#039;ll try to search it out --- if you hear of it appearing online, let me know.

I stand by the assertion that it is a very good idea, among other things it highlights the relativity of criticism; and more ideas similar to it need to be striven for.

I find CI&#039;s idea above also very promising. We need more such ideas and more guts if we wish to revitalize criticism. When I see discussions of criticism, they all revolve around &quot;should the be more aggressive towards artists or not.&quot; How limited.

I suggest the very structure of criticism has to be experimented with. Perhaps gently, but somehow. First, it should include much more questioning of the &quot;givens&quot; of the artworld, such as, e.g., the unwritten rule that the structure of &quot;international&quot; curators a little gods is never to be questioned. But also simply far more open, inventive forms have to be found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Salvo for the info! Too bad I can&#8217;t get it online, as being in Europe I probably won&#8217;t see the paper pub.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try to search it out &#8212; if you hear of it appearing online, let me know.</p>
<p>I stand by the assertion that it is a very good idea, among other things it highlights the relativity of criticism; and more ideas similar to it need to be striven for.</p>
<p>I find CI&#8217;s idea above also very promising. We need more such ideas and more guts if we wish to revitalize criticism. When I see discussions of criticism, they all revolve around &#8220;should the be more aggressive towards artists or not.&#8221; How limited.</p>
<p>I suggest the very structure of criticism has to be experimented with. Perhaps gently, but somehow. First, it should include much more questioning of the &#8220;givens&#8221; of the artworld, such as, e.g., the unwritten rule that the structure of &#8220;international&#8221; curators a little gods is never to be questioned. But also simply far more open, inventive forms have to be found.</p>
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		<title>By: salvo cheque</title>
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		<dc:creator>salvo cheque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mr. Brandl,
Your idea of head to head reviews are currently done by artpapers.org

You can&#039;t see it online, but the last two issues have had &quot;Crossroads: Two Critic&#039;s Assessments&quot;.  Not necessarily two differing opinions, but definitely different perspectives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mr. Brandl,<br />
Your idea of head to head reviews are currently done by artpapers.org</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t see it online, but the last two issues have had &#8220;Crossroads: Two Critic&#8217;s Assessments&#8221;.  Not necessarily two differing opinions, but definitely different perspectives.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Staff Brandl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Staff Brandl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 07:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting re-thinking there CI-- for such a thing I would gladly take part. Such show ideas might also point out that artists are not always the best commenters on their own work. I think I, e.g., am better with others than with myself.

Your idea would highlight the give-and-take, dialogical approach to criticizing art, which I think is a good idea whose time is here. A related idea of mine, which no one has gone for: I proposed to several publications for whom I have written that they should consider &quot;dueling reviews&quot; two or three of the same artist&#039;s show, critics from &quot;differing camps,&quot; perhaps even when you know one will be positive, one negative --- just to put it all in perspective and get out of the Third-Person-knows-everything approach still so prevalent. At least, indirectly, internet is approaching such discussion. i would like to see it more foregrounded, as in your idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting re-thinking there CI&#8211; for such a thing I would gladly take part. Such show ideas might also point out that artists are not always the best commenters on their own work. I think I, e.g., am better with others than with myself.</p>
<p>Your idea would highlight the give-and-take, dialogical approach to criticizing art, which I think is a good idea whose time is here. A related idea of mine, which no one has gone for: I proposed to several publications for whom I have written that they should consider &#8220;dueling reviews&#8221; two or three of the same artist&#8217;s show, critics from &#8220;differing camps,&#8221; perhaps even when you know one will be positive, one negative &#8212; just to put it all in perspective and get out of the Third-Person-knows-everything approach still so prevalent. At least, indirectly, internet is approaching such discussion. i would like to see it more foregrounded, as in your idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Claudine Ise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudine Ise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 21:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mary, and everyone, thank you all so much for your thoughtful (and even handed) comments. Mary, I was thinking about your question about who I would have chosen while I was out gardening today. It&#039;s a very good question! So, hmm, I think one way I might have gone was to choose an artist who I knew from the get-go would not be satisfied with the way I framed his/her work. Not just that I would describe it incorrectly, or inadequately, but who I knew would disagree with the fundamental premises of the way I approached the work. Someone like BAS&#039; Mark Staff Brandl maybe, (I&#039;m just picking an artist who immediately comes to mind) whose work I am still learning about but who I strongly suspect would not like the way I would write about it. He&#039;s also a writer himself, with strong opinions. So then we could tussle, as it were, over the &quot;ownership&quot; of the meaning of his work and that would be the exhibition project itself. I would write text, the artist would re-write it, critique my critique, and back and forth. That would be one way I might go. Another artist I might have chosen isn&#039;t from Chicago, her name is Rachel Harrison and she&#039;s a huge deal in the art world and (this is the part I wrote about sheer dumb not understanding) I do not get her work at all. Granted I haven&#039;t spent a lot of time with it but the pieces of hers I have seen have always make me go, &quot;wha??&quot;. So I could select her or an artist who provoked a similar dumbfounded response, and write quite honestly about my struggle to understand the work, and hopefully in the process undercutting my own critical authority. Those are just two quick thoughts in answer to your question since I have to go out and weed some more. But I also should add, that I realize exhibitions like these need to have some consensus behind them, and were I in the room discussing the overall approach and everyone hated my ideas I would likely choose a more traditional route as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mary, and everyone, thank you all so much for your thoughtful (and even handed) comments. Mary, I was thinking about your question about who I would have chosen while I was out gardening today. It&#8217;s a very good question! So, hmm, I think one way I might have gone was to choose an artist who I knew from the get-go would not be satisfied with the way I framed his/her work. Not just that I would describe it incorrectly, or inadequately, but who I knew would disagree with the fundamental premises of the way I approached the work. Someone like BAS&#8217; Mark Staff Brandl maybe, (I&#8217;m just picking an artist who immediately comes to mind) whose work I am still learning about but who I strongly suspect would not like the way I would write about it. He&#8217;s also a writer himself, with strong opinions. So then we could tussle, as it were, over the &#8220;ownership&#8221; of the meaning of his work and that would be the exhibition project itself. I would write text, the artist would re-write it, critique my critique, and back and forth. That would be one way I might go. Another artist I might have chosen isn&#8217;t from Chicago, her name is Rachel Harrison and she&#8217;s a huge deal in the art world and (this is the part I wrote about sheer dumb not understanding) I do not get her work at all. Granted I haven&#8217;t spent a lot of time with it but the pieces of hers I have seen have always make me go, &#8220;wha??&#8221;. So I could select her or an artist who provoked a similar dumbfounded response, and write quite honestly about my struggle to understand the work, and hopefully in the process undercutting my own critical authority. Those are just two quick thoughts in answer to your question since I have to go out and weed some more. But I also should add, that I realize exhibitions like these need to have some consensus behind them, and were I in the room discussing the overall approach and everyone hated my ideas I would likely choose a more traditional route as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 16:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All, 

I reviewed the show and everyone&#039;s comments on ArtSlant. 

http://artslant.com/global/articles/edit/7040

Have at it, and if you don&#039;t like being mentioned, I can modify. 

Here&#039;s the jist:
My feeling is that the gallery exhibit, technically, physically, is just fine. All the works are strong, Carol Jackson’s Tally is magnificent, a cowboy-style leather huge number that equals nothing (00,000,000,000).  The MacKenzie and Kuras duo outdid themselves with Shows No Sign of Being Unresponsive which is emotionally devoid text filled in with teeny tiny flowers so perfect and painstaking it makes you cry (interestingly, Corey Postiglione, in his review, didn’t take a stab at what their bonsai tree had to do with anything.) Bakker’s stuff looks soft even though it’s hard and Meerdo’s roadside grove billboards make the mundane seem organic. The critics wrote in a way that was sometimes personal, and sometimes iconic of their writing. 

I think the issue is that people evaluated it as a gallery exhibit. I give it higher marks because I see it as a conceptual art adventure, a showcase of de-materialized art. The trick issue is what, exactly, was the show?  Where did the exhibit start and where does it end?  Was the text also artwork? Was the panel a part of the show? 


K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All, </p>
<p>I reviewed the show and everyone&#8217;s comments on ArtSlant. </p>
<p><a href="http://artslant.com/global/articles/edit/7040" rel="nofollow">http://artslant.com/global/articles/edit/7040</a></p>
<p>Have at it, and if you don&#8217;t like being mentioned, I can modify. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the jist:<br />
My feeling is that the gallery exhibit, technically, physically, is just fine. All the works are strong, Carol Jackson’s Tally is magnificent, a cowboy-style leather huge number that equals nothing (00,000,000,000).  The MacKenzie and Kuras duo outdid themselves with Shows No Sign of Being Unresponsive which is emotionally devoid text filled in with teeny tiny flowers so perfect and painstaking it makes you cry (interestingly, Corey Postiglione, in his review, didn’t take a stab at what their bonsai tree had to do with anything.) Bakker’s stuff looks soft even though it’s hard and Meerdo’s roadside grove billboards make the mundane seem organic. The critics wrote in a way that was sometimes personal, and sometimes iconic of their writing. </p>
<p>I think the issue is that people evaluated it as a gallery exhibit. I give it higher marks because I see it as a conceptual art adventure, a showcase of de-materialized art. The trick issue is what, exactly, was the show?  Where did the exhibit start and where does it end?  Was the text also artwork? Was the panel a part of the show? </p>
<p>K</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Staff Brandl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Staff Brandl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 07:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! Some really enticing stuff there. I always liked &lt;i&gt;Happy Hydrogen Bomb&lt;/i&gt; --- reminds me of my erector set days as a kid, mixed with my days building dioramas in the Field Museum.

&lt;i&gt;Vales Values Value&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Shows No Sign&lt;/i&gt; are wonderful works-with-words in them (I refuse to use that trendy &quot;text work&quot; apellation). Most of all the flat wall-works. Hand done? You know I love sign painting and lettering. Fabulous --- even quirky (that&#039;s &lt;i&gt;puckish&lt;/i&gt; to you, Richard!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! Some really enticing stuff there. I always liked <i>Happy Hydrogen Bomb</i> &#8212; reminds me of my erector set days as a kid, mixed with my days building dioramas in the Field Museum.</p>
<p><i>Vales Values Value</i> and <i>Shows No Sign</i> are wonderful works-with-words in them (I refuse to use that trendy &#8220;text work&#8221; apellation). Most of all the flat wall-works. Hand done? You know I love sign painting and lettering. Fabulous &#8212; even quirky (that&#8217;s <i>puckish</i> to you, Richard!)</p>
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		<title>By: duncan.</title>
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		<dc:creator>duncan.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Shameless.  Yes Mark.  

Christian Kuras and I&#039;s pieces can be found on our site at...

http://bathosphere.org/kurasmackenzie/showsnosignofbeingunresponsive/

and

http://bathosphere.org/kurasmackenzie/heart4ever/

and there is audio at...

http://ispace.uiuc.edu/

I imagine that there will be more visuals on I Spaces site at some point.

Paul you are too kind.  Christian and I worked hard on them and were thankful for the opportunity to show them.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Shameless.  Yes Mark.  </p>
<p>Christian Kuras and I&#8217;s pieces can be found on our site at&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://bathosphere.org/kurasmackenzie/showsnosignofbeingunresponsive/" rel="nofollow">http://bathosphere.org/kurasmackenzie/showsnosignofbeingunresponsive/</a></p>
<p>and</p>
<p><a href="http://bathosphere.org/kurasmackenzie/heart4ever/" rel="nofollow">http://bathosphere.org/kurasmackenzie/heart4ever/</a></p>
<p>and there is audio at&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://ispace.uiuc.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://ispace.uiuc.edu/</a></p>
<p>I imagine that there will be more visuals on I Spaces site at some point.</p>
<p>Paul you are too kind.  Christian and I worked hard on them and were thankful for the opportunity to show them.</p>
<p>d.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Staff Brandl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Staff Brandl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Duncan, where can we out-of-towners and out-of-countriers find some photos of the work on-line? I went to I-spaces page --- no photos. Googled your and CK&#039;s names, none of this show. I&#039;d love to see some documentation, since I won&#039;t make it to the show!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Duncan, where can we out-of-towners and out-of-countriers find some photos of the work on-line? I went to I-spaces page &#8212; no photos. Googled your and CK&#8217;s names, none of this show. I&#8217;d love to see some documentation, since I won&#8217;t make it to the show!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Germanos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Germanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 05:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Critics are leaven; I space is not Kosher.

Concerning the movement of gases, I space was, in my eyes, symptomatic of a certain type of conflation: the roles of curator, critic, and artist having been blown together.

I hit the opening on Friday night, and listened to a few of the accompanying mp3s, and then envisioned a three-tiered excavation revealing meaning:

(1) The work of 9 artists filled the gallery.  But, agreeing with above, &quot;the show wasn’t curated along thematic or formal lines but instead according to the idiosyncratic selection process of each participating critic.&quot;  So that, searching for meaning, it was necessary to move down from the artwork to the critic.

(2) Though, if I had been taught that &quot;found objects&quot; and &quot;appropriation&quot; were acceptable because the artistic act consisted principally of choice and placement, did the 9 critic&#039;s choices and gallery placement of 9 particular artists make of the critics -- artists?

(3) Downward still, if the critic&#039;s choice and placement were relevant considerations, then what of the curator who conceived of the show -- and chose the critics?

Here, I say again, this show wasn&#039;t about keeping things apart, but rather it was about mixing them up.

Indeed, Polly&#039;s comment above contains praise of Claudine&#039;s art criticism.  But Claudine&#039;s article deals mainly with criticism and not art.  The two things -- art and criticism -- have become synonymous.  And more-and-more often the curator, critic, and artist are said to exist within the same person.  Healthy?

To the degree that the show was a matter of strategy to attract critical attention [drawing in at least 9 critics from the onset] the strategy proved good.

But the artwork, I think, suffered.  I had seen most of it 1-2 years earlier in various other exhibition spaces.  In this new context it whispered aesthetics and screamed personal connections.

C&#039;est la vie.  It is, as Mary wrote, a, &quot;slice.&quot;  And it is wrong to expect too much of any one thing, or person.  That people continue to create -- whether writing or art -- is good.  It is something for which to be thankful.  I&#039;m glad that I went!  Go.

p.s. It ought not need to be said, but, yes, Duncan&#039;s piece was like unto some wondrous artifact of the gods, fallen down from Olympus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Critics are leaven; I space is not Kosher.</p>
<p>Concerning the movement of gases, I space was, in my eyes, symptomatic of a certain type of conflation: the roles of curator, critic, and artist having been blown together.</p>
<p>I hit the opening on Friday night, and listened to a few of the accompanying mp3s, and then envisioned a three-tiered excavation revealing meaning:</p>
<p>(1) The work of 9 artists filled the gallery.  But, agreeing with above, &#8220;the show wasn’t curated along thematic or formal lines but instead according to the idiosyncratic selection process of each participating critic.&#8221;  So that, searching for meaning, it was necessary to move down from the artwork to the critic.</p>
<p>(2) Though, if I had been taught that &#8220;found objects&#8221; and &#8220;appropriation&#8221; were acceptable because the artistic act consisted principally of choice and placement, did the 9 critic&#8217;s choices and gallery placement of 9 particular artists make of the critics &#8212; artists?</p>
<p>(3) Downward still, if the critic&#8217;s choice and placement were relevant considerations, then what of the curator who conceived of the show &#8212; and chose the critics?</p>
<p>Here, I say again, this show wasn&#8217;t about keeping things apart, but rather it was about mixing them up.</p>
<p>Indeed, Polly&#8217;s comment above contains praise of Claudine&#8217;s art criticism.  But Claudine&#8217;s article deals mainly with criticism and not art.  The two things &#8212; art and criticism &#8212; have become synonymous.  And more-and-more often the curator, critic, and artist are said to exist within the same person.  Healthy?</p>
<p>To the degree that the show was a matter of strategy to attract critical attention [drawing in at least 9 critics from the onset] the strategy proved good.</p>
<p>But the artwork, I think, suffered.  I had seen most of it 1-2 years earlier in various other exhibition spaces.  In this new context it whispered aesthetics and screamed personal connections.</p>
<p>C&#8217;est la vie.  It is, as Mary wrote, a, &#8220;slice.&#8221;  And it is wrong to expect too much of any one thing, or person.  That people continue to create &#8212; whether writing or art &#8212; is good.  It is something for which to be thankful.  I&#8217;m glad that I went!  Go.</p>
<p>p.s. It ought not need to be said, but, yes, Duncan&#8217;s piece was like unto some wondrous artifact of the gods, fallen down from Olympus.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just saying what you paid me to sa...oh....yes.....Christian, sorry yeah I goofed that up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just saying what you paid me to sa&#8230;oh&#8230;.yes&#8230;..Christian, sorry yeah I goofed that up.</p>
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		<title>By: duncan.</title>
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		<dc:creator>duncan.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Richard but it is really Christian Kuras and I&#039;s piece.  But you are totally right on the &quot;bitchin&#039;&quot; part.  

Wait this might be self serving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Richard but it is really Christian Kuras and I&#8217;s piece.  But you are totally right on the &#8220;bitchin&#8217;&#8221; part.  </p>
<p>Wait this might be self serving.</p>
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		<title>By: Polly Ullrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polly Ullrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claudine:
 	 Congratulations on writing a good piece of art criticism—which considerably argues against one of your main points, that is, that art criticism is dying. It is certainly alive and well at BAS. 
	The &quot;Response&quot; show means to affirm the talent and diversity within the community of art writers here in Chicago—as a quick read of the &quot;Response&quot; catalogue shows—by giving them the chance to explore how they think about their writing as they look at art by some of the strongest working artists in Chicago today. But they&#039;re just nine of many Chicago writer/critics who contribute essential commentary on the arts in Chicago.  
	It seems extraordinary that this might be considered to be a strange point of view. In fact, art criticism is not dying—it&#039;s the venues for arts writing, and writing about culture in general, that are rapidly evolving and expanding into powerful new vehicles for conversation.  This interaction is essential for the health of the arts. We&#039;re in a time of opportunity, not restriction, as we morph into new venues for discussion.  The question: how to keep facilitating this process locally. Remember Mark Twain: &quot;The reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.&quot;  Chicago is a writing town—from playrights to novelists to journalists to, yes, critics. 
	&quot;Response,&quot; however, is equally an exhibition of significant, accomplished visual art in Chicago--hopefully, this emerges strongly as well.  Attempting to intermix verbal analysis with the strong visual qualities of the &quot;Response&quot; art in a gallery setting has been extremely interesting.  These artists and writers represent nine diverse slices of critical exchange in one gallery setting.  In order to facilitate this &quot;side by side&quot; and interactive quality, we&#039;ve decided to post each critical essay next to its art work.  
  Looking forward to more comments,
                         Polly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claudine:<br />
 	 Congratulations on writing a good piece of art criticism—which considerably argues against one of your main points, that is, that art criticism is dying. It is certainly alive and well at BAS.<br />
	The &#8220;Response&#8221; show means to affirm the talent and diversity within the community of art writers here in Chicago—as a quick read of the &#8220;Response&#8221; catalogue shows—by giving them the chance to explore how they think about their writing as they look at art by some of the strongest working artists in Chicago today. But they&#8217;re just nine of many Chicago writer/critics who contribute essential commentary on the arts in Chicago.<br />
	It seems extraordinary that this might be considered to be a strange point of view. In fact, art criticism is not dying—it&#8217;s the venues for arts writing, and writing about culture in general, that are rapidly evolving and expanding into powerful new vehicles for conversation.  This interaction is essential for the health of the arts. We&#8217;re in a time of opportunity, not restriction, as we morph into new venues for discussion.  The question: how to keep facilitating this process locally. Remember Mark Twain: &#8220;The reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.&#8221;  Chicago is a writing town—from playrights to novelists to journalists to, yes, critics.<br />
	&#8220;Response,&#8221; however, is equally an exhibition of significant, accomplished visual art in Chicago&#8211;hopefully, this emerges strongly as well.  Attempting to intermix verbal analysis with the strong visual qualities of the &#8220;Response&#8221; art in a gallery setting has been extremely interesting.  These artists and writers represent nine diverse slices of critical exchange in one gallery setting.  In order to facilitate this &#8220;side by side&#8221; and interactive quality, we&#8217;ve decided to post each critical essay next to its art work.<br />
  Looking forward to more comments,<br />
                         Polly</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2009/response-art-and-the-art-of-criticism/comment-page-1/#comment-84462</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the above having been said, you still need to go see Duncan&#039;s piece in the show which is particularly bitchin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the above having been said, you still need to go see Duncan&#8217;s piece in the show which is particularly bitchin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Foumberg</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2009/response-art-and-the-art-of-criticism/comment-page-1/#comment-84459</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Foumberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed reading Claudine&#039;s response, and it got me thinking about the job of the critic. In giving words to visual art, we try to show why the work is relevant. This may be the reason why no one in the show chose to burn bridges or die with style--because we respect the artists and the profession. But I do agree that experimentation will help carry criticism forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed reading Claudine&#8217;s response, and it got me thinking about the job of the critic. In giving words to visual art, we try to show why the work is relevant. This may be the reason why no one in the show chose to burn bridges or die with style&#8211;because we respect the artists and the profession. But I do agree that experimentation will help carry criticism forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Germanos</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2009/response-art-and-the-art-of-criticism/comment-page-1/#comment-84456</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Germanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lori Waxman / Dianna Frid @ I space:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/73059802@N00/3473560143/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori Waxman / Dianna Frid @ I space:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/73059802@N00/3473560143/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/73059802@N00/3473560143/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mary Antonakos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Antonakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the response Claudine, we were hoping for thought provoking comments and yours certainly are.  This exhibition could have taken many paths—criticism has many voices, styles, methods—our goal was to try to offer a slice of what is happening with criticism in Chicago today, and to help continue the discourse.  

While it might have been &#039;sexier&#039; to have the critics select work that was uneven, or challenged them in the past, in the long run I think it is much more interesting to read about work the critics are interested in…I can only imagine what an exhibition of work that was uneven, or work the critics didn’t want to write about would look like, ouch.

 Maybe art criticism is dying—but doesn’t a great critic discriminate between the good and the bad?  Is only writing about what they consider to be good or great work bad criticism?  I&#039;d much rather read a review or critique of work the critic felt was important, interesting or compelling, that’s usually how I learn about the things that I sometimes don’t get the first time around.

I wonder, who would you choose to write about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response Claudine, we were hoping for thought provoking comments and yours certainly are.  This exhibition could have taken many paths—criticism has many voices, styles, methods—our goal was to try to offer a slice of what is happening with criticism in Chicago today, and to help continue the discourse.  </p>
<p>While it might have been &#8217;sexier&#8217; to have the critics select work that was uneven, or challenged them in the past, in the long run I think it is much more interesting to read about work the critics are interested in…I can only imagine what an exhibition of work that was uneven, or work the critics didn’t want to write about would look like, ouch.</p>
<p> Maybe art criticism is dying—but doesn’t a great critic discriminate between the good and the bad?  Is only writing about what they consider to be good or great work bad criticism?  I&#8217;d much rather read a review or critique of work the critic felt was important, interesting or compelling, that’s usually how I learn about the things that I sometimes don’t get the first time around.</p>
<p>I wonder, who would you choose to write about?</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia Eler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia Eler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Claudine, 
Thanks for your criticisms of the show. I look forward to meeting you at the panel--come introduce yourself after. We should chat. 
-alicia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Claudine,<br />
Thanks for your criticisms of the show. I look forward to meeting you at the panel&#8211;come introduce yourself after. We should chat.<br />
-alicia</p>
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		<title>By: Claudine Ise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudine Ise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;ew&quot;, did you yourself see the exhibition? Do you think it&#039;s &#039;bad&#039;? Because those are your words, not mine. Instead of sniping anonymously, tell me why the show worked for you, what you liked about it, make some kind of reasoned argument in response to what I wrote. Your angry response makes me think that you took my words very personally, so I&#039;m curious about who you are and why you reacted so strongly to what I wrote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ew&#8221;, did you yourself see the exhibition? Do you think it&#8217;s &#8216;bad&#8217;? Because those are your words, not mine. Instead of sniping anonymously, tell me why the show worked for you, what you liked about it, make some kind of reasoned argument in response to what I wrote. Your angry response makes me think that you took my words very personally, so I&#8217;m curious about who you are and why you reacted so strongly to what I wrote.</p>
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		<title>By: ew</title>
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		<dc:creator>ew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is one bad exhibition the poster boy for all of art criticism in Chicago?

Claudine, 

You sound like a clueless grad student in need of attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is one bad exhibition the poster boy for all of art criticism in Chicago?</p>
<p>Claudine, </p>
<p>You sound like a clueless grad student in need of attention.</p>
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