Comments on: Episode 139: Artropolis http://badatsports.com/2008/episode-139-artropolis/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss Contemporay art talk without the ego Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:04:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Episode 194: Paul Morris : Bad at Sports http://badatsports.com/2008/episode-139-artropolis/comment-page-2/#comment-84776 Episode 194: Paul Morris : Bad at Sports Tue, 19 May 2009 00:39:58 +0000 http://badatsports.com/?p=304#comment-84776 [...] General Admission with dessert, and open bar. NPR Garrison Keillor Paul Morris Chelsea Art Chicago Artropolis jello wrestling Next Claudine Ise Meg Onli The Armory Show [...] [...] General Admission with dessert, and open bar. NPR Garrison Keillor Paul Morris Chelsea Art Chicago Artropolis jello wrestling Next Claudine Ise Meg Onli The Armory Show [...]

]]> By: Mark Staff Brandl http://badatsports.com/2008/episode-139-artropolis/comment-page-2/#comment-79985 Mark Staff Brandl Fri, 23 May 2008 13:14:28 +0000 http://badatsports.com/?p=304#comment-79985 Go for it Ed! Go for it Ed!

]]> By: edmar http://badatsports.com/2008/episode-139-artropolis/comment-page-2/#comment-79970 edmar Fri, 23 May 2008 01:57:24 +0000 http://badatsports.com/?p=304#comment-79970 Gees guys Glad I found this thread. I just got back from a fantastic trip to some great art festivals and fairs and spaces abroad. Even though they blew my ass away I still felt all proud and impressed with what happens in our our 2nd rate town and I spread the gospel. Keep in mind that it's a pretty fucked up situation for artists in most of the planet and we have some really great things going for us here. Even though i was stressed out of my head during the version festival and the art fair madness i have to say that i am still on the path of believing that the city is the right place to live and work. NEXT was better than I thought it would be, and yeah, the whole Artropolis was overwhelming, but we had a great time.. Especially at Version. This year Version was really well attended and i was surprised to hear the comments from lots of people, especially this not big enough gay community, that the art shows rocked. Even our little NFO XPO project had awesome work in it and a few visiting spaces from overseas actually sold stuff. Launching our mag this past April also was a nice contribution to the horror. We loved how freaked out people were when they got a copy. I think we need to spread the hopes of the city over the course of the year and not just one weekend in April. Tom and Michael and many of you guys had some nice observations and advice. I am going to absorb and claim them as my own... ;) We all have some nice ideas in front of us that might add some volume to the Chicago stereo system. I am excited to see what will happen next. I do know that there are some great models out there that i have experienced that can truly showcase what happens in this city during art fair time... I think i am going to organize these models and propose something to the larger communities. I just hope that the "powers" that be might want to hold hands with us when they get hatched. anyways buy a copy of proximity magazine. we are going to help. Gees guys
Glad I found this thread. I just got back from a fantastic trip to some great art festivals and fairs and spaces abroad. Even though they blew my ass away I still felt all proud and impressed with what happens in our our 2nd rate town and I spread the gospel. Keep in mind that it’s a pretty fucked up situation for artists in most of the planet and we have some really great things going for us here.

Even though i was stressed out of my head during the version festival and the art fair madness i have to say that i am still on the path of believing that the city is the right place to live and work. NEXT was better than I thought it would be, and yeah, the whole Artropolis was overwhelming, but we had a great time.. Especially at Version. This year Version was really well attended and i was surprised to hear the comments from lots of people, especially this not big enough gay community, that the art shows rocked. Even our little NFO XPO project had awesome work in it and a few visiting spaces from overseas actually sold stuff. Launching our mag this past April also was a nice contribution to the horror. We loved how freaked out people were when they got a copy.

I think we need to spread the hopes of the city over the course of the year and not just one weekend in April. Tom and Michael and many of you guys had some nice observations and advice. I am going to absorb and claim them as my own… ;)

We all have some nice ideas in front of us that might add some volume to the Chicago stereo system. I am excited to see what will happen next. I do know that there are some great models out there that i have experienced that can truly showcase what happens in this city during art fair time… I think i am going to organize these models and propose something to the larger communities. I just hope that the “powers” that be might want to hold hands with us when they get hatched.

anyways buy a copy of proximity magazine.
we are going to help.

]]> By: Mark Staff Brandl http://badatsports.com/2008/episode-139-artropolis/comment-page-2/#comment-79863 Mark Staff Brandl Tue, 13 May 2008 06:31:43 +0000 http://badatsports.com/?p=304#comment-79863 I've seen that often in my 29 years as a profi artist. These slide registries and documentation libraries and group-www-portals etc. are all a crock of shit, usually created and used by consensus curators and the like to appear to be doing something for the "region" where they operate (and where their money comes from). Nobody, and certainly nobody "important," looks at them anyway. Forget it. The only way to get attention is to get attention, unfortunately, thus all the not-really-but-trying-to-be-shock art and the like. Best would be if artists consequently suggested each other to visiting curators and critics. I try to do that a lot, but seldom see much reciprocality. I’ve seen that often in my 29 years as a profi artist. These slide registries and documentation libraries and group-www-portals etc. are all a crock of shit, usually created and used by consensus curators and the like to appear to be doing something for the “region” where they operate (and where their money comes from). Nobody, and certainly nobody “important,” looks at them anyway. Forget it. The only way to get attention is to get attention, unfortunately, thus all the not-really-but-trying-to-be-shock art and the like. Best would be if artists consequently suggested each other to visiting curators and critics. I try to do that a lot, but seldom see much reciprocality.

]]> By: Gina http://badatsports.com/2008/episode-139-artropolis/comment-page-2/#comment-79856 Gina Sun, 11 May 2008 17:47:56 +0000 http://badatsports.com/?p=304#comment-79856 Wow, if registries like White Columns are held up as the great hope for the unrepresented among us, we're in trouble. Rarely are the artists from the registry ever used in shows at the gallery anymore and it took a year and a half for me to hear back about my submission (We had over 6,000!) which was a rejection. After trolling around the internet in my pissed off state, I found out I was not alone. Some people have waited two years to hear that they've been rejected. Such lip service given to these programs, and I'm sure some are functioning to foster 'emerging' artists. White Columns is not one of them. Wow, if registries like White Columns are held up as the great hope for the unrepresented among us, we’re in trouble. Rarely are the artists from the registry ever used in shows at the gallery anymore and it took a year and a half for me to hear back about my submission (We had over 6,000!) which was a rejection. After trolling around the internet in my pissed off state, I found out I was not alone. Some people have waited two years to hear that they’ve been rejected.

Such lip service given to these programs, and I’m sure some are functioning to foster ‘emerging’ artists. White Columns is not one of them.

]]> By: duncan http://badatsports.com/2008/episode-139-artropolis/comment-page-2/#comment-79783 duncan Tue, 06 May 2008 16:49:30 +0000 http://badatsports.com/?p=304#comment-79783 Hamlett, We are organizing a discussion show and it is to be one of the topics. But we are a week or two away from it. d. Hamlett,

We are organizing a discussion show and it is to be one of the topics. But we are a week or two away from it.

d.

]]> By: tom burtonwood http://badatsports.com/2008/episode-139-artropolis/comment-page-2/#comment-79754 tom burtonwood Sun, 04 May 2008 04:41:42 +0000 http://badatsports.com/?p=304#comment-79754 isn't a lot of this about outreach by the galleries, i know this is a topic that we "talk" about a lot at Gardenfresh. reaching out to the newly ensconsed condo owners in the West Loop. there's a lot of folks spending upwards of $300K on apartments in the city who need something for their walls, fair play that might not make them collectors in the true sense of the word but it be a start. afterall how much is that $5K flat screen gonna be worth in 5 years? nowt. you'll need a better one or whatever. however if u spend 5 large on a piece of art in chicago chances are unless you totally do something stupid it'll be worth at least what u paid for it and maybe a wee bit more. now ask your self how much that plasma screen will be worth in 30 years.... paperweight. right? so why not buy that piece of art after all? same with all this ikea stuff folks are willing to drop $50 on a printed canvas at the flat pack mega mall why not drop that $100 on something that might still be worth the same money 5 years later. i dunno, i'm not trying to skew this conversation squarely in the direction of art as investment coz as we all know it's not easy to flip in any market.... and u should always buy what u like... BUT the condo owners do present an opportunity for a young start up gallery / artists to do a couple of things.... 1. direct mail to new home owners..... i just bought a house in sunny OP. u wouldn't believe how much mail i get for home owners insurance, decorations, linens, auto insurance, etc etc, it's all junk mail of course...AND i welcome it (of course), and will make it into art, ha ha ha ha ha.....but the info is part of the public record galleries / artists can presumably access this and send info to new home owners who might still have some money set aside to make their homes look pretty..... 2. tours. i used to work for a gallery that organized tours of galleries in river north and west loop. it was a great way to bring new buyers into the market p;lace. again a younger gallery could probably do quite well at this... some of the established ones would probably view it beneath them, who's to say? 3. partner with developers. i know condo developers and real estate guys are satan. but grudges about gentrification aside, i would love to open a project space in the ground floor of a new condo building or even in one of the units (if any developers are reading this pls email me,) and sell to the residents.... could be a total failure but so what.... anyhow..... isn’t a lot of this about outreach by the galleries, i know this is a topic that we “talk” about a lot at Gardenfresh. reaching out to the newly ensconsed condo owners in the West Loop. there’s a lot of folks spending upwards of $300K on apartments in the city who need something for their walls, fair play that might not make them collectors in the true sense of the word but it be a start. afterall how much is that $5K flat screen gonna be worth in 5 years? nowt. you’ll need a better one or whatever. however if u spend 5 large on a piece of art in chicago chances are unless you totally do something stupid it’ll be worth at least what u paid for it and maybe a wee bit more. now ask your self how much that plasma screen will be worth in 30 years…. paperweight. right? so why not buy that piece of art after all?

same with all this ikea stuff folks are willing to drop $50 on a printed canvas at the flat pack mega mall why not drop that $100 on something that might still be worth the same money 5 years later. i dunno, i’m not trying to skew this conversation squarely in the direction of art as investment coz as we all know it’s not easy to flip in any market…. and u should always buy what u like…

BUT

the condo owners do present an opportunity for a young start up gallery / artists to do a couple of things….

1. direct mail to new home owners….. i just bought a house in sunny OP. u wouldn’t believe how much mail i get for home owners insurance, decorations, linens, auto insurance, etc etc, it’s all junk mail of course…AND i welcome it (of course), and will make it into art, ha ha ha ha ha…..but the info is part of the public record galleries / artists can presumably access this and send info to new home owners who might still have some money set aside to make their homes look pretty…..

2. tours. i used to work for a gallery that organized tours of galleries in river north and west loop. it was a great way to bring new buyers into the market p;lace. again a younger gallery could probably do quite well at this… some of the established ones would probably view it beneath them, who’s to say?

3. partner with developers. i know condo developers and real estate guys are satan. but grudges about gentrification aside, i would love to open a project space in the ground floor of a new condo building or even in one of the units (if any developers are reading this pls email me,) and sell to the residents…. could be a total failure but so what….

anyhow…..

]]> By: Michael Workman http://badatsports.com/2008/episode-139-artropolis/comment-page-2/#comment-79753 Michael Workman Sat, 03 May 2008 19:04:58 +0000 http://badatsports.com/?p=304#comment-79753 Right, I was the art kid in my high school. Depressing experience, actually, especially growing up in Indiana, where the public education system was shit. After university, however, I looked back in wonder at why basic philosophy courses weren't a mandatory part of every public education's curricula. Having spent enough time poring over the existing literature on philosophy of education, I understand the holistic approach, but always thought giving students the basic intellectual tools to face the challenges of a multi-disciplinary "smorgasboard" an obvious need. Art was my answer to that problem, more of an intuitive shift made easier perhaps because of the accessibility of the visual as a jumping-off point for my curiosity about larger socio-cultural questions. Then again, I was very much a Dewey devotee early on and naturally skewed toward fringe thinkers rather than those solidly in the Tradition. And that's not to say I didn't do my time with the Pre-Socratics all the way up to Habermas et al. I still read Nagel and Wittgenstein once every few months to refresh my soul. I guess that does make me a bit of a pointy-headed pencil-dick, but I still think I look awful manly holding a chainsaw. Right, I was the art kid in my high school. Depressing experience, actually, especially growing up in Indiana, where the public education system was shit. After university, however, I looked back in wonder at why basic philosophy courses weren’t a mandatory part of every public education’s curricula. Having spent enough time poring over the existing literature on philosophy of education, I understand the holistic approach, but always thought giving students the basic intellectual tools to face the challenges of a multi-disciplinary “smorgasboard” an obvious need. Art was my answer to that problem, more of an intuitive shift made easier perhaps because of the accessibility of the visual as a jumping-off point for my curiosity about larger socio-cultural questions. Then again, I was very much a Dewey devotee early on and naturally skewed toward fringe thinkers rather than those solidly in the Tradition. And that’s not to say I didn’t do my time with the Pre-Socratics all the way up to Habermas et al. I still read Nagel and Wittgenstein once every few months to refresh my soul. I guess that does make me a bit of a pointy-headed pencil-dick, but I still think I look awful manly holding a chainsaw.

]]> By: Bill Dolan http://badatsports.com/2008/episode-139-artropolis/comment-page-2/#comment-79752 Bill Dolan Sat, 03 May 2008 17:23:12 +0000 http://badatsports.com/?p=304#comment-79752 Growing up in Chicago, art was always a side thing in school and was always on the bubble at budget time. The threat of cutting it (and music) was also often used as PR tool when there was a possibility of a teachers strike. There were some great programs though. Art Form was an art history class tought by Art Institute instructors. We would draw what was projected on the screen while discussing the work and artists. I loved it. My first "major" show was of sketches from that class as they took the best and had a traveling exhibit at the Sun-Times building and at Northwestern University. The AP art classes in high school were also very good. Unfortunately, the ratio of gym class to art was about 10:1. Plus with the constant threat of art programs being canceled, the idea of art as a burden to society seems to be perpetuated. It always requires funding that is taken away from important things like paying teachers. Growing up in Chicago, art was always a side thing in school and was always on the bubble at budget time. The threat of cutting it (and music) was also often used as PR tool when there was a possibility of a teachers strike.

There were some great programs though. Art Form was an art history class tought by Art Institute instructors. We would draw what was projected on the screen while discussing the work and artists. I loved it. My first “major” show was of sketches from that class as they took the best and had a traveling exhibit at the Sun-Times building and at Northwestern University. The AP art classes in high school were also very good.

Unfortunately, the ratio of gym class to art was about 10:1. Plus with the constant threat of art programs being canceled, the idea of art as a burden to society seems to be perpetuated. It always requires funding that is taken away from important things like paying teachers.

]]> By: Tony Fitzpatrick http://badatsports.com/2008/episode-139-artropolis/comment-page-2/#comment-79751 Tony Fitzpatrick Sat, 03 May 2008 16:31:49 +0000 http://badatsports.com/?p=304#comment-79751 If kids don't get art in school-- their not being educated. If kids don’t get art in school– their not being educated.

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