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	<title>Comments on: Episode 112: Trevor Paglen/ Pate Conaway</title>
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	<description>Contemporay art talk without the ego</description>
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		<title>By: Bad at Sports Giveaway : Bad at Sports</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-112-trevor-paglen-pate-conaway/comment-page-1/#comment-83507</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad at Sports Giveaway : Bad at Sports</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] here is how it’s going to go. I have a brand new copy of former BAS guest Trevor Paglen’s book Blank Spots on the Map: The Dark Geography of the Pentagon’s Secret World. Duncan has [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Staff Brandl</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-112-trevor-paglen-pate-conaway/comment-page-1/#comment-73608</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Staff Brandl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. GeoGRAPHy not Geology. Isn&#039;t anybody else going to comment on the show itself?</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Staff Brandl</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-112-trevor-paglen-pate-conaway/comment-page-1/#comment-72961</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Staff Brandl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finally listened to the whole thing (as I have written in the past, I usually do this on Friday mornings, so I&#039;m late to the discussion as usual).

It was great. There are many strong points, most of all I would like to highlight and compliment Paglen&#039;s approach to theory. Being an intellectual, but an &lt;b&gt;independent&lt;/b&gt; one. He saw that he wanted to use theory, but sought out his own arena and thinkers, ones who spoke to him, ones OUTSIDE the mandatory small circle of nihilistically-interpreted deconstructivists, those enforced by the academy.

I think even if geology doesn&#039;t interest you as a model, this model of seeking one&#039;s own philosphers, so to speak, is a fabulous one that should be encouraged in artists and art students, especially intellectually-oriented ones. It would be a GREAT model for teachers to follow. There are many many many creative, exciting thinkers out there in many fields, not just Derrida &amp; Co. (although I love literary theory, but by many others). Good job, and good job on bringing that out Brian and Marc.

I thooughly enjoyed hearing about Conaway&#039;s approach too --- a kind of quasi-surrealist, critical-and-yet-embracing, process: find a, perhaps neglected, technical process and then lightly change some aspect of it until it becomes a startling artwork.

Both artists offer ways to extend and rediscover certain types of thought that appeared liberating in early Conceptual Art, yet were abandoned in favor of a very illustrational, closed-circle, ironic versions of Neo-Con. This is &quot;conceptually based&quot; art with an evocative and stimulating edge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally listened to the whole thing (as I have written in the past, I usually do this on Friday mornings, so I&#8217;m late to the discussion as usual).</p>
<p>It was great. There are many strong points, most of all I would like to highlight and compliment Paglen&#8217;s approach to theory. Being an intellectual, but an <b>independent</b> one. He saw that he wanted to use theory, but sought out his own arena and thinkers, ones who spoke to him, ones OUTSIDE the mandatory small circle of nihilistically-interpreted deconstructivists, those enforced by the academy.</p>
<p>I think even if geology doesn&#8217;t interest you as a model, this model of seeking one&#8217;s own philosphers, so to speak, is a fabulous one that should be encouraged in artists and art students, especially intellectually-oriented ones. It would be a GREAT model for teachers to follow. There are many many many creative, exciting thinkers out there in many fields, not just Derrida &amp; Co. (although I love literary theory, but by many others). Good job, and good job on bringing that out Brian and Marc.</p>
<p>I thooughly enjoyed hearing about Conaway&#8217;s approach too &#8212; a kind of quasi-surrealist, critical-and-yet-embracing, process: find a, perhaps neglected, technical process and then lightly change some aspect of it until it becomes a startling artwork.</p>
<p>Both artists offer ways to extend and rediscover certain types of thought that appeared liberating in early Conceptual Art, yet were abandoned in favor of a very illustrational, closed-circle, ironic versions of Neo-Con. This is &#8220;conceptually based&#8221; art with an evocative and stimulating edge.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Onymous</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-112-trevor-paglen-pate-conaway/comment-page-1/#comment-72570</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Onymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was probably the best sounding piece from Brian and Marc to date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was probably the best sounding piece from Brian and Marc to date.</p>
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		<title>By: David Roth</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-112-trevor-paglen-pate-conaway/comment-page-1/#comment-72567</link>
		<dc:creator>David Roth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to detract from the Baby Holland, but is anyone going to discuss the show? I liked the bits about the patches myself - very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to detract from the Baby Holland, but is anyone going to discuss the show? I liked the bits about the patches myself &#8211; very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: TheShark</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-112-trevor-paglen-pate-conaway/comment-page-1/#comment-72433</link>
		<dc:creator>TheShark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about after a really expensive tube of paint?

     Old Holland</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about after a really expensive tube of paint?</p>
<p>     Old Holland</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Albano</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-112-trevor-paglen-pate-conaway/comment-page-1/#comment-72415</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Albano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you should name them all after Dutch cities:
Amsterdam, 
Rotterdam,
Delft.
start with The Hague, 
so your kid can have a first name of &quot;The&quot; 
just like The Shark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you should name them all after Dutch cities:<br />
Amsterdam,<br />
Rotterdam,<br />
Delft.<br />
start with The Hague,<br />
so your kid can have a first name of &#8220;The&#8221;<br />
just like The Shark</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Andrews</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-112-trevor-paglen-pate-conaway/comment-page-1/#comment-72335</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not the surname first, such as

Holland Oats?

or Holland Tunnel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not the surname first, such as</p>
<p>Holland Oats?</p>
<p>or Holland Tunnel?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Staff Brandl</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-112-trevor-paglen-pate-conaway/comment-page-1/#comment-72299</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Staff Brandl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hang in there! 

Like Charles Wilson Peale, one of the first US painters and the founder of the first US museum (and one of the first museums in the world), you could name all your kids after famous painters. In your case, Dutch/Northern ones of course. Rembrandt Holland, Vermeer Holland, Van Eyck Holland, Van Gogh Holland, DeKooning Holland, Little Dutch Boy Paint Holland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hang in there! </p>
<p>Like Charles Wilson Peale, one of the first US painters and the founder of the first US museum (and one of the first museums in the world), you could name all your kids after famous painters. In your case, Dutch/Northern ones of course. Rembrandt Holland, Vermeer Holland, Van Eyck Holland, Van Gogh Holland, DeKooning Holland, Little Dutch Boy Paint Holland.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-112-trevor-paglen-pate-conaway/comment-page-1/#comment-72251</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well but waiting, she is due the 27th and we are minutes away from labor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well but waiting, she is due the 27th and we are minutes away from labor.</p>
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