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	<title>Comments on: Episode 104: Brian Holmes with Lane Relyea</title>
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	<description>Contemporay art talk without the ego</description>
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		<title>By: brad farwell</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-104-brian-holmes-with-lane-relyea/comment-page-1/#comment-63683</link>
		<dc:creator>brad farwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoyed the interview ver&#039; much: there were a couple of magic moments where Lane asked a question in normal language and Brian responded in fluent intelltuogibberish.  Love that.

Having only a phrase-book understanding of that tongue, I wasn&#039;t sure what the answer was to the question &quot;Everybody seems to be creating models of art-making  that are based on schools - what&#039;s the deal, and why is this bandwagon a good one?&quot;  

It seems that, aside from ideas of inclusiveness, community-involvement, breaking down the artist-as-solo-practitioner-on-a-mountaintop (which seem like potentially good things) that the school-as-artform model has a couple of serious issues: it&#039;s unwieldy, it requires more support, it sucks the dick of the &quot;School is Where You Learn Art&quot; paradigm that gets us all such massive debt and MFAs, etc.  

Another, perhaps more interesting issue, is that once art becomes a teaching event, it is constrained by the duration/scope of that event; I can get the same experience from painting X now that I could when it was first made, and even get something from a reproduction of it in a book; it&#039;s harder to get something from a non-object artwork that ceases to exist once its social structure is disassembled (ie pedagogical factory) - So does this breaking down of the artwork-as-object make it more accessible (including people normally outside of the art bubble) or less accessible (limiting its impact to &#039;those there then&#039;).  ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed the interview ver&#8217; much: there were a couple of magic moments where Lane asked a question in normal language and Brian responded in fluent intelltuogibberish.  Love that.</p>
<p>Having only a phrase-book understanding of that tongue, I wasn&#8217;t sure what the answer was to the question &#8220;Everybody seems to be creating models of art-making  that are based on schools &#8211; what&#8217;s the deal, and why is this bandwagon a good one?&#8221;  </p>
<p>It seems that, aside from ideas of inclusiveness, community-involvement, breaking down the artist-as-solo-practitioner-on-a-mountaintop (which seem like potentially good things) that the school-as-artform model has a couple of serious issues: it&#8217;s unwieldy, it requires more support, it sucks the dick of the &#8220;School is Where You Learn Art&#8221; paradigm that gets us all such massive debt and MFAs, etc.  </p>
<p>Another, perhaps more interesting issue, is that once art becomes a teaching event, it is constrained by the duration/scope of that event; I can get the same experience from painting X now that I could when it was first made, and even get something from a reproduction of it in a book; it&#8217;s harder to get something from a non-object artwork that ceases to exist once its social structure is disassembled (ie pedagogical factory) &#8211; So does this breaking down of the artwork-as-object make it more accessible (including people normally outside of the art bubble) or less accessible (limiting its impact to &#8216;those there then&#8217;).  ??</p>
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		<title>By: Balzac</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-104-brian-holmes-with-lane-relyea/comment-page-1/#comment-62447</link>
		<dc:creator>Balzac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The links aren&#039;t working properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The links aren&#8217;t working properly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Staff Brandl (cartoon lover)</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-104-brian-holmes-with-lane-relyea/comment-page-1/#comment-62396</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Staff Brandl (cartoon lover)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the return of the Mitt Head!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the return of the Mitt Head!</p>
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		<title>By: Balzac</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-104-brian-holmes-with-lane-relyea/comment-page-1/#comment-62346</link>
		<dc:creator>Balzac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(be prepared to shed a tear at the beauty)



There are those who think that life
Has nothing left to chance
With a host of holy horrors
To direct our aimless dance

A planet of playthings
We dance on the strings
Of powers we cannot perceive
The stars arent aligned ---
Or the gods are malign
Blame is better to give than receive

You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice

You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose a path thats clear
I will choose free will

There are those who think that theyve been dealt a losing hand
The cards were stacked against them ---
They werent born in lotus-land

All preordained
A prisoner in chains
A victim of venomous fate
Kicked in the face
You cant pray for a place
In heavens unearthly estate

Each of us
A cell of awareness
Imperfect and incomplete
Genetic blends
With uncertain ends
On a fortune hunt
Thats far too fleet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(be prepared to shed a tear at the beauty)</p>
<p>There are those who think that life<br />
Has nothing left to chance<br />
With a host of holy horrors<br />
To direct our aimless dance</p>
<p>A planet of playthings<br />
We dance on the strings<br />
Of powers we cannot perceive<br />
The stars arent aligned &#8212;<br />
Or the gods are malign<br />
Blame is better to give than receive</p>
<p>You can choose a ready guide<br />
In some celestial voice<br />
If you choose not to decide<br />
You still have made a choice</p>
<p>You can choose from phantom fears<br />
And kindness that can kill<br />
I will choose a path thats clear<br />
I will choose free will</p>
<p>There are those who think that theyve been dealt a losing hand<br />
The cards were stacked against them &#8212;<br />
They werent born in lotus-land</p>
<p>All preordained<br />
A prisoner in chains<br />
A victim of venomous fate<br />
Kicked in the face<br />
You cant pray for a place<br />
In heavens unearthly estate</p>
<p>Each of us<br />
A cell of awareness<br />
Imperfect and incomplete<br />
Genetic blends<br />
With uncertain ends<br />
On a fortune hunt<br />
Thats far too fleet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;ll try again

Rush can be found at 

http://www.rush.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;ll try again</p>
<p>Rush can be found at </p>
<p><a href="http://www.rush.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rush.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-104-brian-holmes-with-lane-relyea/comment-page-1/#comment-62244</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last pithy comment didn&#039;t show up. What gives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My last pithy comment didn&#8217;t show up. What gives?</p>
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		<title>By: duncan</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-104-brian-holmes-with-lane-relyea/comment-page-1/#comment-62157</link>
		<dc:creator>duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh.  ARP! can be found at...

http://www.art-neutopia.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh.  ARP! can be found at&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.art-neutopia.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.art-neutopia.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charles C. Stirk Jr</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-104-brian-holmes-with-lane-relyea/comment-page-1/#comment-61747</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles C. Stirk Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 01:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This and last several Podcast have been thought provoking and ...brilliant .. quite simply well done .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This and last several Podcast have been thought provoking and &#8230;brilliant .. quite simply well done .</p>
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		<title>By: Hudgens</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-104-brian-holmes-with-lane-relyea/comment-page-1/#comment-61721</link>
		<dc:creator>Hudgens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Are the columns to the left and right supposed to be grayed out until I pass the mouse over them?&quot;   -Richard

Yep, the design that everyone wanted was a slick soft future-modern glass look and thats why they are transparent till you mouse over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are the columns to the left and right supposed to be grayed out until I pass the mouse over them?&#8221;   -Richard</p>
<p>Yep, the design that everyone wanted was a slick soft future-modern glass look and thats why they are transparent till you mouse over.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Staff Brandl</title>
		<link>http://badatsports.com/2007/episode-104-brian-holmes-with-lane-relyea/comment-page-1/#comment-61683</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Staff Brandl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hot digity damn I like the new site design! ---Except for one thing. I MISS THE CARTOON of the Mit-head! That was so great! Can&#039;t you find a wee little corner up top for it, or perhaps left under the &quot;Point of Origin&quot; box? Please please please? --- it deserves it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hot digity damn I like the new site design! &#8212;Except for one thing. I MISS THE CARTOON of the Mit-head! That was so great! Can&#8217;t you find a wee little corner up top for it, or perhaps left under the &#8220;Point of Origin&#8221; box? Please please please? &#8212; it deserves it.</p>
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